Feb 20, 2024
Anne welcomes Oz Krakowski from DeepDub, a company specializing in
dubbing and voiceover end-to-end localization. Oz and Anne discuss
the evolving technology and the importance of protecting the
integrity and earnings of professional voice actors. They look at
the ethical landscape of AI, the significance of artist
compensation, and the transformative effect technology is having on
voiceover work. With the rise of deepfakes and synthetic voice
replication casting shadows of concern, they discuss the pressing
need to protect voice artists' identities. They also navigate the
intricacies of consent and compensation in voiceover AI models.
This episode is a call for trust and clarity in the dynamic dance
between technology and the voice talents that bring authenticity to
AI-generated content.
00:01 - Intro (Announcement)
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00:20 - Anne (Host)
Hey everyone, welcome to the VEO Boss podcast. I'm your host, Ann
Ganguzza, and I am truly excited to be here with a very special
guest, Krakowski. Oz is an experienced executive with a rich
background in business and technology, especially in the
entertainment industry. His current role at DeepDub showcases his
deep involvement in the realm of media and film, where he leverages
innovative technology to enhance the industry's landscape. His
extensive knowledge and insights have made him a sought after
figure in film and media conferences. Oz, thank you so much for
joining us today. We're so happy to have you here.
00:57 - Tom (Co-host)
Hi Anne, so pleased to be here and thank you for inviting me and
looking forward to our discussion.
01:02 - Anne (Host)
Yeah, absolutely. I'm excited to talk to you about the technology.
So, first and foremost, for our listeners, tell us a little bit
about DeepDub and your role there and your particular experience in
working with voice actors.
01:16 - Tom (Co-host)
Absolutely so. Deepdub is a company that is focusing on AI, or
generative AI, I should say solutions for audiovisual content, with
an aim to democratize the ability to globalize content. We started
by focusing on entertainment content, working with big studios
small and large, actually and localizing and providing them the
capabilities to use synthetic voices and different generative AI
tools in order to localize their content. Specifically for me, I'm
based in Dallas in the United States. I am responsible for business
development, partnerships, strategic accounts, been with the
company almost from the beginning. The company started in 2019, so
we're pretty young in the world of, in the traditional world of
localization. However, in the world of AI, we're among the
first.
02:06 - Anne (Host)
You're veterans, you're veterans.
02:08 - Tom (Co-host)
Exactly, exactly. I always joke that it's like dog years every
quarter it's like another leap forward in technology and
advancements. We were there before. Generative AI was a common
phrase on everyone's discussion. Absolutely this is generally about
DeepDub DeepDub is really committed to the entertainment industry
and asked about how we work with voice actors. There is a lot and
I'm sure we're going to unpack it here in the discussion.
02:33 - Anne (Host)
Oh yeah, obviously, as you know, being a voice actor myself and you
having worked with voice actors in the industry, I'm sure you
understand the concerns of, basically, actors and artists in the
creative fields and their concerns about AI. I think that it's
important that all of us, voice actors included, we educate
ourselves on this evolving technology to figure out how we can work
with it, because I don't think we're going to stop it. Number one
I've certainly seen lots of evidence of that in the past few years.
I mean, it has just been breakneck speed in developing synthetic
voices. From your perspective, what would you say are the major
concerns surrounding the usage of AI in entertainment? In the
entertainment industry?
03:21 - Tom (Co-host)
Absolutely. I followed your podcast and I see the work that you've
done on AI. I truly respect the will and intention to actually be
aware of it. Like you said, I think it's also acknowledged today
that this is pretty much unstoppable. The question is, how do we
get in front of it? How do we actually address the concerns? How do
we work together and not necessarily try to do anything that is
one-sided?
03:45
In the end, everyone has fear when it comes to change and changing
landscape or changing conditions, especially when it comes to a
person level. People have their fears and a deep that we're trying
to address them instead of not trying to behind anything. We're
addressing them by working with the industry, by adhering to common
practices, to the most recent laws or ethical codes that have been
published. One of the things that we've just recently announced
about a month ago I think it's almost like a month and a half ago,
just when the actor strike was concluded we announced what we call
the Voice Actors Royalty Program, which is a clear step forward in
terms of giving voice actors, specifically professional voice
actors, the ability to get compensated for the use of their voice
in AI-powered projects.
04:40
That specifically addresses professional voice actors. We did not
open it to the public. In fact, when you join the program, we
actually ask for proof that you are a professional voice actor.
Once we get that proof, we vet it. We actually make sure that this
is the right that you are indeed who you claim you are, or with the
specific credentials.
05:00 - Anne (Host)
You have to do that today, in this age of AI.
05:04 - Tom (Co-host)
Because essentially I have a microphone, I can claim that I'm a
voice actor. It's not that it's not going to be open ever to
everyone, but the intention initially is to ease voice actors that
we are not going to use their voice without their full consent and
without them getting compensated for it. I think that's very
important.
05:23 - Anne (Host)
Yes, I agree with you 100%. I think one of the biggest issues now
is because it's the Wild West out there I like to use that term all
the time in the voice acting industry because it's always been like
a Wild West of rates. With new media and digital media, it's the
Wild West of synthetic voices in AI. Now there are so many
technical things that arise in terms of how can voice actors
protect their voice? There are… a lot of companies out there
drafting up these ethical policies and agreements that they post on
their websites, and I think there is a bigger issue at stake where
I think that it's wonderful when companies can proclaim and create
policies and ethical guidelines, but what's out there? Who's out
there that's enforcing them? Number one, I think really at a
federal level or a global scale, there needs to be laws and
regulations on that, and I think that's where we're going to be
playing catch up, for maybe I don't know, this is my guesstimation
the next 10 years, maybe more. What are your thoughts on
that?
06:23 - Tom (Co-host)
You know what? You're absolutely right and this is, I think, the
key challenge that we have, that the legal system is so slow to
progress. However, you know, technologically we're advancing fast.
So what happens? It leaves the playing field, you know, open for
interpretation, and this is where it really matters.
06:42 - Intro (Announcement)
And, just like you, said this is the wild west.
06:44 - Tom (Co-host)
Exactly, and this is where it's really important when you partner
with a company to actually do the background work, make sure that
you're working with a company that really cares about not only the
output, but also how you achieve that output, because today you can
achieve that output in many ways, but it's really important who are
the people, what's their track record, how do they do things, and
not only what do they achieve in the end and why? Because there is
no global enforcement right now.
07:12
I think it's going to get there eventually. There's no way around
it.
07:15 - Anne (Host)
It's going to have to get there, but it's just going to
yeah.
07:18
But what happens in the interim? I think that's the biggest thing.
I have so many questions for you and one of them, of course, I
wanted to like wait a little bit, but obviously I'm sure you've
heard of the groundbreaking agreements between SAG-AFTRA and
Replica, another AI company, in terms of working with actors and
voice actors to protect them, and I think that that was a step in a
positive direction, toward companies wanting to be more
accountable, to not just themselves and not just their own ethical
guidelines. Like I know, there's so many wonderful organizations
out there trying to create guidelines and research, and I think
that that's great, but I also think that is a step towards I would
say, at least a company solidifying that they are serious about
protecting the rights of creatives and actors and voice actors.
What are your thoughts on that? Is that something that you have
been looking into or a place where you might go in the
future?
08:09 - Tom (Co-host)
Absolutely. First of all, sag-aftra is in the United States, so I
think it's a great step forward for sure Definitely protects and
sets the tone for unions and guilds worldwide. We have been
discussing for some time with the BFFS, which is like the SAG-AFTRA
or the similar union in Germany. I, just for the sake of
discussion, I was invited by them last June to talk about AI in the
film industry at the Munich Film Festival and we had a very
interactive panel discussion there at that event, and I think that
goes back to how we started the discussion today, saying that we
need to acknowledge that this is coming and let's be in front of it
and have the dialogue and talk about how we do things, and I think
that agreement with SAG-AFTRA is important and an important step
forward.
08:57
I believe we're going to see similar things happening also
worldwide, not only in the United States, and I think also from
SAG-AFTRA perspective, it will be their intention to have that type
of agreement with as many, I would say, ai companies create some
kind of standard in a way.
09:11 - Anne (Host)
Yeah, let's talk a little bit about in the technical aspect of
things, because, again, I don't work in AI, but I try to learn as
much as I possibly can so that I can make educated decisions about
how I can go about evolving with the industry as we move forward
with the rapid advancements of AI technology, specifically
generative AI I mean, is it discussed in any other realm anymore as
generative AI? How can artists protect themselves from their
unauthorized usage of their voice or their likeness or whatever
that might be? I mean, right now there has to be technology that
can be put in place so that we might be able to find out if our
voice is being used without our permission or our
likeness.
09:52 - Tom (Co-host)
The reality, I would say, is that technology today allows that to
be abused. I mean, that's the reality. And it goes back to what I
said before If you're a very famous voice, talent or it could be a
talent or just a voice, talent or talent of your voice.
10:10
I mean, or a celebrity, for example, and there's enough information
about your voice. We actually today we don't even need a lot. Then
your voice can be out there. We don't need much. You know it's like
a sentence. Basically, your voice could be out there. The thing is,
you know what happens. If it does. You can take it, for example,
into places where we see non-entertainment related voices, like
political people. You know people from politics where you know
their voices can be replicated and can be abused. Actually, you
know, especially if we're going into an election year in the United
States deep fakes are very real very real, exactly I will say
that.
10:49 - Anne (Host)
That gives me hope, though, that it is a political season, that
maybe it'll get more government level. There may be more action
taken quicker because of that. I don't know, that's just. That's
just my speculation.
11:01 - Intro (Announcement)
But in reality.
11:02 - Anne (Host)
So, and even this podcast. I mean gosh, I've had a podcast for
seven years. I mean, not only have I done thousands of auditions
and given my voice freely, after being paid for a job, to my
clients, there are so many ways that my voice has probably already
been put into a database somehow. And I think that, technologically
speaking, how does deep dub? First of all, how do you create
voices? I guess the creation of the voice and then usage of the
voice. How do you protect your actors, your voice actors, in both
of those cases? Can their voices be used for training other models,
and what's the usage requirements?
11:40 - Tom (Co-host)
Yeah, and that goes back basically I'm connecting my two answers
before basically of first, there is no way really, I mean, everyone
can use your voice because your voice specifically, you have that
podcast with hundreds of hours it can be used without your
knowledge. And then it combined it with partnering with the right
company that actually you can trust, that is committed to working
with you in terms of doing things in a legal way, in an ethical way
and also compensation wise. So this is, if you combine it together.
Now it goes back to the way we had deep dub require
voices.
12:16
There are two ways for us to acquire voices. First, with
non-professional voice actors, where we actually pay them for the
voice. We approach people that do not use the voice as their
profession and ask them in a very consent way to contribute their
voice. They're getting paid for it and once their voice is in, we
actually use those voices as the baseline for our bank voices.
They're not necessarily going to hear their voice in the outcome,
because those voices get transformed internally and mixed with
other voices, essentially, and the output is different. But this is
the baseline for how to acquire voices.
12:54 - Anne (Host)
Yeah, so they're being paid for their voice being a training model
then, to generate or create new voices, and then do they get paid
if that new voice is being used since they were part of the
training model or no?
13:06 - Tom (Co-host)
No, not necessarily. No, they're contributing their voice and,
again, they're not professional voice actors. They're not getting
paid. They're getting paid for the work that they did and they're
not gonna see their voice in the output. Also, it's not gonna be
their exact voice yet.
13:19 - Anne (Host)
Okay. So then now the case of a voice actor. If a voice actor wants
to be on your roster.
13:24 - Tom (Co-host)
So in a voice actor, it's a different case. A voice actor, their
voice is actually going to be in the output and they're going to be
paid in the same way as they're getting paid today for doing the
voice acting, only that they don't need to be in the
studio.
13:40
They could pretty much be anywhere else or be involved in a
different job. So, essentially, you know, they're basically going
to contribute their voice. We're not going to use their voice for
training. We're not going to offer their voice as a bank voice.
It's going to be offered as a voice that is essentially a royalty
based or not royalty based, but a professional voice actors voice,
which, every time this voice is being used for a project, they're
going to be compensated for it. Now, mind you, like I said, it's
very similar to the way their voice actors are getting paid today.
When you participate in a production, you're getting paid for the
participation. You're not getting paid for every time this is being
broadcasted.
14:22 - Anne (Host)
Well, it depends on the type of job. I mean, if it were broadcast
media, yes, you would get paid each and every time it gets
broadcasted.
14:29 - Tom (Co-host)
So yeah, so it depends exactly in the end, and we're talking about
the similar level of compensation as if you were doing the actual
work, only now it's without attending the studio.
14:39 - Anne (Host)
Sure, sure. Now, how does that work in terms of when the voice gets
chosen, is the actor then contacted, and then are they privy to how
the voice is being used in terms of is it only for dubbing or could
it be for other purposes as well? I mean, I may or may not want my
synthetic voice, if it sounds like me, to be represented in a movie
that might be something that I wouldn't consider myself wanting to
be in you know what I mean or a production that maybe would be
saying something that I wouldn't particularly want my voice
reference to, for people to recognize and say, oh, and then assume
that I would be of the same opinion.
15:17 - Tom (Co-host)
Yeah, listen, it's a great question. I will say that this is a
place where that constantly evolves, because there is no
enforcement, because the laws, there is no real legal framework.
We're kind of like swimming in an open ocean and trying to define
the land. Basically, for us right now, the idea is that when you do
this, you're concerning to specific types of work. There is right
now we didn't really set it up in that way, but the intention is
really to give you the ability to try to actually vet yes or no
based on types of work, ahead of basically your voice being
used.
15:50
So when you sign up to have the ability to actually say alright,
this type of genre is I don't want to be in, but essentially we
have a producer of the work that sits down. In a similar way that
it's done in a real production, a producer will sit down and is
casting voices from a list of voices. They can choose a bank voice
or they can use a professional voice. If they use a professional
voice, in the end there's an output saying this specific voice
actor, their voice, has been chosen. It's not in the intermediary
output, but the final output has a professional voice, artist voice
in it. Then they're going to get compensated for it.
16:26 - Anne (Host)
Got it. Is it on a project by project basis? The payment, the
compensation, in terms of how am I compensated? If I can get more
in depth, because you know, what's so interesting is that I love
you telling me that I'm being compensated. Now the question is
okay, so what is that royalty share? What is that percentage? And
is it varying depending on the project? Or is that something that I
would have any input into negotiating with you? Or is that
something and I realize because obviously you have created that
synthetic voice and you're the one generating the files that yes,
there is a certain percentage? Wise, that is obviously it's your
work in generating that voice. Is it something that the voice actor
can negotiate or is it you have just across the board? This is the
royalty fee and it does it very based on, or some actors more,
let's say in demand is one more of a custom voice than
others.
17:16 - Tom (Co-host)
Yes, yes, yes and yes, yes, it can be negotiated. Okay, yes, some
are more in demand and basically it's a yes on all of them. There's
like a baseline you can negotiate if you have the ability to
negotiate it. So yeah, overall, the answer is yes.
17:31 - Anne (Host)
What's the turnaround time? Just out of curiosity, if I would say
that you're working on a production and I'm going to assume that
these would be films that you're working with in terms of the
amount of turnaround time and what this means for, let's say, the
dubbing industry, like what is the advantage of using the synthetic
voices and also I assume it's not just the voicing in order to make
this? I guess a good experience for the consumer. You're also doing
video effects as well, is that true?
18:00 - Tom (Co-host)
or we're not necessarily focused much on the video side, although
we can. We figure we first address the challenge with the voices
themselves and then move on to the video. That's coming up as well,
the ability to actually change the video, to do a perfect lip sync,
but at this point, you know, focusing on the audio itself. So
there's like multiple ways of actually creating a production to
localize a content. And let's step away for a second from a film,
let's talk about a show, because the challenges with the show are,
I would say to some extent are bigger, because there's just more
content. And especially, what we've noticed is that the challenge
becomes substantial, especially when we're talking about a big
volume. You know when we're trying to scale it. And why is that?
Because now everything becomes when you're working traditionally,
everything becomes, you know, sequential, it's all serialized and
it takes a lot of time, a lot of effort. You know you need a lot of
resources. Think about a show that has I don't know 10 episodes,
especially again, if we're talking about catalog content. It could
be a show that has I don't know 10 seasons and now localizing it
would take a lot of time, would take more than a year. And the
thing is that without technology, this project becomes irrelevant,
meaning it wouldn't be localized at all. So what happens is that we
are suddenly enabling and quite frankly, our first focus is to try
to address those because there's so much demand for localizing even
sometimes older titles that have new markets and have never been
localized, and it's impossible always. So what we do is we're
enabling to do this very quick. When I say very quick, I mean we've
recently dubbed the voiceover. So there is like difference between
voiceover or you know, if you address with scripted, but we've done
100 episodes of 30 minutes in about six weeks for a customer, which
is pretty fast. Another project that we've done was eight seasons
of a show Again, it's catalog content, but it's still high quality
scripted content, french to English that we dubbed 85 episodes in
four months, which is without technology. It's just impossible to
do it. The speed, or you're just taking the quality, really, really
low, yeah. So we're looking at it as an enabler, not necessarily.
And when you look at it this way, by the way, I have to mention to
say that you should actually consider that not as a something that
takes jobs, because those jobs would not have been there at all,
because our customers would not dub it traditionally otherwise
because the turnaround, time and the costs.
20:32
So what happens in our process? It's never fully automatic. There's
always people involved, whether a voice actor, sometimes too, a
dubbing director. There's a studio sometimes involved in the
process. There are linguists, we have translators. There's a lot of
curation. That is done because, like you said, we care about the
output. We really is done in a way that will actually be in line
with the quality standards for streaming, for example. We have to
align on that level of quality, otherwise, you know, we don't have
a product. So that's very important. This is where we bring in
people to be involved in the production itself.
21:08 - Anne (Host)
So I assume that after you are using the synthetic voice for the
localization, for whatever it might be, you then have a little bit
of post production on that, because I know that with the advances
in technology things are really great. But how much are you having
to also then additionally work on that to kind of get the emotion,
Because of course people are all about it's the emotion that's
lacking in the synthetic voices. And so what sort of work is
involved these days after the synthetic voice is applied to bring
that emotion and to bring that scene to life?
21:40 - Tom (Co-host)
Well, first, I must say that there is a lot of work that is done
before we even apply the synthetic voices because, again, when we
look at it, we look at it from an holistic point of view. At least
the deep dove were not only a voice company where an end to end
dubbing or localization house. We do the transcription, we do the
translation, we have professional translators involved, together
with the machine translation, to actually create the adaptation
that is specific for that content, whether that's only referencing
the cultural aspects or even addressing lip sync related issues,
for adaptation related issues. Then we can record in two ways,
whether we are using voice conversion or speech to speech. The same
way I've seen some of the other guests you had here on the podcast
talked about it, so we use that in a similar way or we also have
the text to speech option.
22:30
We recently launched our emotive text to speech that allows us to
control the emotions of the output of the text to speech, which is
also something pretty new and I would say to some extent mind
blowing, because it gives us the ability to simulate a performance
to some extent right on the output, right, right, we create those
voices, whether in this method or the other, then we also mix. We
always have a sound engineer at the end of the process where they
will be able to take that and if we need to create a 5.1 mix,
master the output, deliver it. There is some level of mixing that
is also done using AI. That can be done automatically, but we
always, always have a person in the process to curate and make sure
that the output is in the right quality summits that we're aiming
for.
23:20 - Anne (Host)
Just my own experience with speech to speech and understanding that
speech to speech is not necessarily quicker in one respect, you
know what I mean, because there's still an actor that's involved
for that source acting. But I can absolutely see that the
technology to probably put this together and make it realistic is
mind-blowing to me and I actually wish I could see the process,
just so I could know even more about it. But until that happens,
talk to me about how voice actors can get involved, and I guess do
you call it being on the roster, being on your roster? And again,
you said there's a vetting process. What's involved if a voice
actor is interested in having their voice with your
company?
23:59 - Tom (Co-host)
So, first of all, like I said, we are already working with voice
actors in different regions to provide the performance when we use
the speech-to-speech. So we've done this over thousands of hours
already. But if voice actors professional voice actors want to join
our royalty program, it's as simple as going on our website and
signing up to the royalty program. We're in a slow process of
bringing people in.
24:23
We're not rushing into it just because we are trying to vet
everyone in and trying also not to create an oversaturation, Also
on our end we're still a small company, so it does create some
burden on us to actually make sure to vet everyone, but we're
trying to do this in a very clear way that everyone is on the same
page, there's no misunderstandings, and make sure that once we have
someone on board, they know exactly what the process is. Go on the
website, click the button, join the program, be part of this
change.
24:55 - Anne (Host)
So one of my last questions is kind of a more generalized question
about companies in general, because you are one of the handful of
companies that I have spoken to that are actively speaking out and
saying that you're supporting and wanting fair compensation for the
actors and the creatives involved. So, from an organizational
level, from a business standpoint, how can companies that develop
and utilize AI act responsibly and manage the IP rights and
concerns and ensure that they're respecting the rights of both
human creators and AI generated content?
25:26 - Tom (Co-host)
I think it starts from the ground up. When you build your
platforms, when you build your technology, you have to think of it
from the ground up. If you did the majority of the way not thinking
about, it is going to be very difficult to now reshuffle everything
and now decide oh what? Now I want to be, go ethical and go legal,
because you've already built, some from the beginning.
25:49
Exactly, and this is the way we looked at it. This is one thing.
The second thing is have dialogues, have communication. You know,
listen. Part of the things, the reasons that I went to that Munich
Film Festival and actually had several discussions with different
units is, first of all, listen, empathize, try to understand the
other side, try to understand how we can come up with solutions to
actually address those concerns and not necessarily go on the
highway and don't stop. So I would say this is the second thing.
And the third thing is adapt. The landscape continuously evolves.
We're just at the beginning of it in terms of the legal frameworks
that are being put in place. So be able to adapt and adjust
according to those changes. I think all three are
important.
26:32 - Anne (Host)
What do you see coming in the future, not only for deep dove and
yourself, but the future of AI technology. How do you see it
evolving even more?
26:40 - Tom (Co-host)
Listen, I don't know if you noticed, but Riverside offers AI
transcription.
26:46 - Anne (Host)
Yes absolutely, absolutely. My whole podcast is probably using AI.
I mean, I use it to generate show notes and video clips, so
absolutely.
26:56 - Tom (Co-host)
Yeah. So I think in the end, what I think it's going to get to, to
a point where AI is going to be part of our lives in a very
seamless way. Right now we are very judgmental about it, we're
thinking about oh that's AI, and we're nitpicking on everything.
But when it becomes seamless, you know it's just like. You know,
cell phones in the beginning were bucky and huge and you had to
carry a bag for it and it was. You had to actually think about it.
Today, it's obvious that you go out of your house with a cell
phone. You wouldn't do it otherwise.
27:30
I think at some point, looking to the future, maybe a few years
from now, ai is going to be more seamless, more integrated in many
ways that are not necessarily trivial to us Even today. The simple
ones are like transcription right, I mean, you wouldn't put someone
right now to go through the podcast to transcribe it. When AI can
do 95% of the work pretty good and the rest of the 5% you can do on
your own, it becomes manageable. At the same time, I think that
there's still going to be a place for us human beings in the
process, basically responsible for the creativity. I don't think a
lot of the fear is like AI is going to take our place. It's going
to take over the world. Yes, absolutely, skynet is taking over. I
think that eventually, what we're going to see is that it's just
going to change the way we approach things more curating, more
directing and guiding the AI, rather than trying to do it
around.
28:23
You know, for me, for example, today I want to write a formal
email. I'll just go to chat GPD. It's not that I cannot do it. I
can't do it myself and I've been doing it for you know, for years
myself. But chat GPD, if I just give it a few point of reference,
it'll give me something in seconds. And now I'm going to take it
not as it is. I'm going to make a lot of changes in it and make it
my own. Yeah, but I have the baseline and I think that's an
indication of how it's going to be in the future in many other
aspects of our lives.
28:52 - Anne (Host)
Yeah, I agree, and I think that as we progress forward, as it
becomes more seamless hopefully it also becomes more regulation
takes place so that we can be protected, so that it's not being
used without our permission or knowledge and AI for good.
29:06
I'm a believer, I want AI for good and I have seen where I think AI
is so beneficial in so many ways and it's just a little bit scary
to see it when it's not being used in great ways. But I press on
and I think bosses out there, we need to educate ourselves so that
we can evolve along with it and use it for positive. Use it for
good. And, Oz, I want to thank you so much for joining me today.
It's just been a pleasure talking with you and thank you so much
for sharing your wisdom with us.
29:34 - Tom (Co-host)
Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me and I look forward to
future podcasts.
29:39 - Anne (Host)
Absolutely All right. Bosses, here's your chance to use your voice,
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