Feb 6, 2024
In this episode, we talk all about relationships with your agents! We provide insightful advice on timing your communications effectively, being respectful of the recipient's time, and staying top of mind by sending short, meaningful messages. Also, we stress the importance of following up and consistently being professional. In the latter part of the episode, we highlight the essence of open communication and mutual trust between voice actors and agents. So, whether you're a voice actor looking to break into the industry or an established talent seeking ways to enhance your networking game, this podcast episode has you covered. Join us as we bring you the premier business owner strategies and successes being utilized by the industry's top talent today!
00:01 -
Intro (Announcement)
It's time to take your business to the next level, the boss level.
These are the premier business owner strategies and successes being
utilized by the industry's top talent today. Rock your business
like a boss, a VO boss. Now let's welcome your host, Anne
Ganguzza.
00:20 - Anne (Host)
Hey everyone, welcome to the VO Boss podcast and the Boss
Superpower series. I'm your host, Anne Ganguzza, and I'm here with
my lovely, amazing boss, co-host Lau Lapides. Thank you, ann,
awesome to see you today. Hey Law, yes, so awesome to see you
too.
00:38
So the other day I was prepping for a new year of my VO Peeps
group, where I have guest directors come in once a month to do
online workshops, and the very popular ones are typically ones that
have agents such as yourself and casting directors. And I was going
through the list okay, what casting directors, what agents do I
know? And there are some agents that I don't know but I would like
to know, and agents that I do know that I've dealt with before, and
I thought there has to be a protocol because I need to introduce
myself to them. Right, and I know a lot of people when they want to
get an agent, they have to introduce themselves to an agent, and so
I thought it would be a good time to talk about protocol when
working with an agent or reaching out to an agent or casting
director and then maintaining a relationship.
01:29 - Lau (Host)
That's a great topic. Let's talk about that. Yeah,
absolutely.
01:33 - Anne (Host)
So I'm going to ask you, because you are an agent, so tell me, what
is your preferred method of? Let's say, a new talent wants to be
represented by you. What do you recommend, or how do you prefer
that someone reaches out to?
01:48 - Lau (Host)
you Right, that's a great question.
01:50
I'm one of those people that is out in the world, so I'm not just
at the office, I'm also out in the world.
01:55
So I'm speaking at conferences, I'm invited to events, I'm doing
online training. I'm like all over the map and partly it's to
educate and partly it's to meet new talent, and I make that very
clear. I'm very transparent about that and that's a very New York
LA sentiment for actors that if they want to meet casting and
agents, they oftentimes will take classes, they'll work with those
people in the training, in the conference, in the group, so that
they can see a little bit of their work or at least get to talk to
them, because I feel like a human interface is so much better for
me than just getting an email if possible. So I love it when people
are in a class, in a group, in a session, and they point themselves
out, and that could be as simple as maybe they ask a really smart
question or maybe they volunteer to do a read, if they're allowed
to do a read, or maybe they put their contact information in the
chat if it's online.
02:51
My point is I love proactive people because I know proactive talent
are going to be much easier to work with than talent who's passive
or shy or just unknowing or newbie and they're waiting for magic to
happen. I love people who are partnering with me and creating magic
on their own too, so I love when they reach out in person at an
event, at a class, at a happening. Number one that's my favorite.
If it doesn't happen that way, it's okay to email and submit. I
welcome that and I need that because we're still growing our
roster. However, I will say one thing Kiss it, keep it short and
sweet. I get too many emails and I know you do as well that are
three, four, five, six paragraphs long, telling me everything
that's going on. Do it Even with someone. I know I can't get
through it. I just don't have the time to read through that whole
thing. Just one paragraph right and just throw in your
links.
03:51 - Anne (Host)
I think anytime you send an email these days, the shorter and the
sweeter you can make it the better, the better. Every person has
time to read a full page of email.
04:03 - Lau (Host)
No, and I need to see it right up front, like we call it, above the
fold. So if I get to the website for instance, if you have a
website that's terrific. Anything you have online I just need to
see it quickly. If I have to scroll all the way down or go to
another page, it's hard because I don't know what I'm looking for
and I don't always want to hear all of the animation, demos or all
of the other kinds of work that you do. It's a great reference
point to have, but I don't always need that. So targeting the
person you are courting is really important. If I'm courting a
commercial agent, the commercial agent just isn't going to be as
interested oftentimes in your animation work.
04:40
They'll like to know you have it, because they'll consider you're
working pro, but they may not represent that kind of work versus an
animation production house. You have to have your animation demos
with an S, not just one, but more than one, and that's got to be
front and center. So I say target your market, know exactly who
you're reaching out. To. Keep it short and sweet, kiss it. Keep it
short and sweet and give them exactly what they're looking for
upfront. If they want more info, they'll ask you.
05:08 - Anne (Host)
Oh, I like that. So how do we know what information to
send?
05:12
Because here's the thing, right, let's say, if there is an
opportunity to meet them in an online workout or at a conference,
that's a great way to get in front of an agent and I think that
that has worked really well for a multitude of students I know that
have gotten taken on a roster after they've appeared in a workout
at VOPEAPS and also at conferences. I've seen that work out really
well for people. But what if there are some agencies that maybe are
not looking to fill their roster just yet, or maybe their roster is
full but yet people want to introduce themselves and maybe make an
impression? Is that a favorable thing to do and how should they do
that?
05:48 - Lau (Host)
Absolutely. And you have to remember just because you're in front
of someone does not mean they're interested in working with you. It
doesn't mean they're even interested in receiving a submission from
you. So I do find the more I meet fellow agents and casting and
producers, the more articulate they are. If they're on a panel or
if they're doing a workshop, they'll tell you oftentimes the very
straightforward people and they'll say hey, yeah, I'd like to see
your submission, I'd like to see your work, or no, I don't give out
my contact information. I'll check in with you in a couple of
months if I need anything. So typically they're pretty articulate
to say if they're comfortable you contacting them or not.
06:27
And if you do contact them, what exactly are you contacting them
for? They don't fool around across the board. They wanna know
exactly who you are and what you want. What are you contacting them
for? Otherwise you're bothering them. You know what I mean. Like
it's a typical letter that you would send out to any prospect in
business. Like say don't give me your life story, no one cares.
What they care about is why are you coming to me? Sure, what are
you looking for?
06:53 - Anne (Host)
And I think that it's very important to understand. Just as in
direct marketing, I deal with this with the VO, boss Blast, right.
I have a lot of clients that are like look, I sent out my marketing
materials to all these people on the list but nobody's contacted
me. It's very much a timing issue, meaning there has to be a need.
It's not like you've submitted auditions right. When somebody's
come to you with auditions, right here I've got an audition for the
spot. There is a need, right. It's a demonstrated need that I've
got a commercial I'm producing or I've got some sort of promotion
that I'm going to produce and I need a voice artist or I need a
voice actor for that. When you're direct marketing and kind of
saying hi, I'm here, can I get on your roster you don't know at
what time you're reaching right. Is there a need for you on that
roster? And if not, it's gotta be one of those things where it's a
gentle sort of inquiry into and, as you said, keep it short and
sweet, because otherwise you are bothering them because maybe there
is no need.
07:54
And I always go back to my old how do we buy? How do we purchase,
how do we acquire things, or how do we get things that we need
Right now? It's been a crazy holiday season, right? So I am signed
up for all these mailing lists, right? And I get three or four
emails a week from the same companies, but yet I don't have a need
for anything that they have. But when I do have a need, I'm then
looking at that subject line, I'm looking into the email, and
that's a very important part of determining whether I'm going to
read that email and then purchase or, let's say, entertain the
option of having somebody on my roster.
08:34
So the timing has to be right, and so sometimes you could send
emails and nothing happens, and that's very true, I think, with
reaching out to Asians or casting directors, right. I mean, you may
not get any response, and then you might be like, oh gosh, have I
done the right thing? And I'll tell you that, the one thing that
you want to do, just as in yourself, right? You don't want people
to be annoying. You don't want to read a book because I don't have
time to get through that book. It needs to be short and to the
point and respectful of their time.
09:04 - Lau (Host)
I would agree, oh my gosh, totally agree. And I would say, you
know, it's the old FOMO thing. It's like keep top of mind. If they
see you, enough, you're branding yourself, so you're seeing you
they get to psychologically feel that you've been in business
forever. Even though you've been in business for two years, they
start to say, oh, they've been around, I don't want to miss out on
just seeing quickly what John Smith is doing like and then they
trash it. Great, that's what you want. So that then when they have
the need, they think John Smith, I always get his stuff right. So
it's that sort of keeping your finger on the pulse of what is
happening in all of their worlds and not falling into that mindset
that you and I speak about all the time, the narcissism of, like
I'm ready to work, I'm here, why aren't they hiring me? Well, they
don't need you.
09:51 - Anne (Host)
Right, top of mind is so interesting for an agent, right, like I
love that. We said you do need to be top of mind. So that means you
reach back out, right. If you don't hear anything, you reach back
out. But how often, law? This is the question. How often do we
reach out Now for marketing and soliciting voice acting
services?
10:09
I think you can reach out to somebody once, twice a month, three
times a month, and if you give them the option to unsubscribe right
For direct marketing, that's awesome. I personally think we should
add that option to unsubscribe if you're reaching out too many
times to an agent or a casting director, because that will tell you
right away if they have a need or not, or it shows that you're
considerate of their time. And I actually just kind of came up with
this right now. I'm like gosh, that would be nice, a nice option,
if you just threw at the end of your email just say hey, I would
love to connect with you. Please let me know I'd like to follow up
with you. Maybe not next week, but I'd like to follow up with you
in a few months. If you would prefer that I don't, please let me
know by hitting reply and that kind of thing.
10:52 - Intro (Announcement)
I love it.
10:52 - Anne (Host)
I think that would show number one, that you're considerate of
their time. Number two, that you know how to conduct yourself
professionally and not be a pain in the butt, because I know that
when people send me unsolicited emails, I get annoyed. If there's
more of them that come in the next day, or what happens in I have
Gmail, it shows in a thread. So I see like, oh, you've sent me five
emails already pretty much following up and I have not responded to
you, so you would think take me off your list, right?
11:19 - Lau (Host)
Right and I think that that's honestly. I think it's inferred
nowadays that if I don't want to get your stuff, I go to the bottom
of your email. I find my preferences, I find my M subscribe me or
my assistant can do it in like 15 seconds. It's okay, I'm used to
doing that. It's like that's part of our thing that we do these
days. But most of the time I actually don't do it, unless it's a
big box store or a huge corporation that I have no interest in at
all.
11:42
I want to know what my talent's doing. I want to know what
prospects are doing, and what we will say is we try to be really
kind, both as the studio and an agency. So if someone comes in and
they're sending me their stuff and they're not a good fit, we'll
write to them, we'll let them know. We won't just let them hang in
the balance. We'll say, hey, you're not a good fit for our roster
right now. Could you please come back and check in in the next
three to six months? Perhaps you'll have updated materials, perhaps
you'll have a couple of cool jobs to share with us and we'd like to
relook at that later which we would we would, and that's really
nice of you, but not all agents will do that.
12:16
No no, they won't, and so if they don't.
12:18 - Anne (Host)
I think that it's absolutely a professional thing to actually, in
the email at the very end, just say I would like to contact you in
three to six months Again, if that would be okay with you. If not,
please let me know that kind of thing and that just shows that you
are respectful of them and their time. And also don't forget,
bosses, to really research the person that you're sending out to,
like you should know like what is this agency specialized in? What
does their roster look like already? Are you filling a hole in that
roster? Because, again, there has to be a need. I have to have a
need to buy from Old Navy that pair of shorts or that
T-shirt.
12:55 - Lau (Host)
I'm glad you said that Because so few people are Googling or going
to websites Like you should be. Before you blast anyone, go to the
website. Make sure they're legit, see where they're located, see if
that's the market you want to cover. See the kinds of voices that
they're working with. Now when do you fit in that whole realm? It
only takes you five minutes or less to do that. And let's say
you're going to paste. What I call pasting is doing a blast of like
50 or 100.
13:20 - Intro (Announcement)
So spend a Saturday doing a little bit of research.
13:23 - Lau (Host)
It's worth it, because what if they're interested in working with
you, then you know nothing about them, right? You want to have some
working knowledge if you meet with them or if you go back and forth
with them. I also want to say any, too, because so many talent have
a lot of reps, which is great if they're freelancing, if they're
not signed exclusively, they should. Our agency is freelance, not
exclusive, so we know they're going to work with six or eight or 10
different people. Sure, keep them straight, keep them straight.
Here's what we found. We found a number of auditions that come in
every couple of auditions have the wrong slate on them, with the
wrong agency, because agencies, as we all know, on the national
front, will get some of the same science and some of the same
scripts and be very careful that you don't do.
14:11
We were really offended by that oh gosh, yes, I would be offended
because number one, that told us they weren't playing it back and
listening to it, but number two, that they would send that in. And
number three is, like, have an awareness of like who's sending you
what and who's doing what I'm just going to say.
14:27 - Anne (Host)
Way to get yourself kind of blacklisted.
14:29 - Intro (Announcement)
You know what I mean. We didn't do that, but we were making an
impression when you do that.
14:35 - Anne (Host)
And that impression sometimes lasts for a long time.
14:38 - Lau (Host)
We won't forget that. We know exactly the people that did that and
they didn't do it on purpose and we're not going to have any malice
towards them, but we're watching them. If they do it again, they
could be dropped, because we don't want to not hear that, because
we're too busy. Send it out to a client and then it goes to another
agency. Okay, so that's one thing. The other thing too is like when
you sign a contract and I'm sure most of these places you're going
to have you sign a freelance agreement of some kind. Read it. Some
of the folks are not reading it.
15:07
And we've had a few people that don't have source connect and
they're up for bookings and we're like wait a second, you signed
her agreement. It said right, we've dropped a couple people over
that, because we're like, we're not going to be at your home doing
this for you.
15:21
You got to do it for yourself and that's sad, but it's like that's
the nature of the protocol and etiquette scene. Oh, another
question. We get to law. I don't want to offend anyone, so if I'm
getting the same script from a couple different offices, how should
I treat that? For us, it's very simple. For me, it's simple. You do
my script. Well, some offices do say that they actually threaten
the talent. I've heard that behind the scenes they will threaten
the talent to drop them if they don't do theirs, which I don't like
that. I don't like scare tactics. I would say it's up to you. You
can either go with the first one that sent it to you for time
sensitivity, just go with the first. Or, if they're coming in the
same time, two or three offices, just choose the one you have the
best for them.
16:01 - Anne (Host)
I agree, I agree.
16:02 - Lau (Host)
It's up to you. We're not going to be offended in any way. Oh, and
the other thing I want to say too is please and I'm only talking
for us, I'm not talking about every other agency, I'm only talking
about MCVL Don't tell us you're passing on a job, just pass,
because we could get 20, 30, 40, 60 emails saying sorry on
vacation, sorry, I'm passing, sorry I'd be like it's okay, we got
plenty of talent. We're going to be submitting for this, it's okay.
I think sometimes talent feel like I'm being selected personally
for this audition.
16:37 - Anne (Host)
I feel like I have an agent who does select personally, and so if I
can audition, they will get upset if I don't. But you would know
that. See, that's the thing. You should know your agent enough.
Exactly, you should know your agent enough.
16:48 - Lau (Host)
Yes, we do that too. So if we have a hand selection, we'll say,
hey, we chose you for this Exactly, or our producer asked for you
and we did it. You would know that. Otherwise, just assume it's
coming to a number of people, not just you, right? Unless you hear
from them.
17:03 - Anne (Host)
Well, I remember when I initially signed with you, I was like,
look, if I cannot respond to an audition, you won't be offended,
right, because I do have an agent. That will be like, no, why did
you not respond? And you were like, no, that's entirely fine, that
is up to you, and so it behooves you to understand or have a
relationship enough with your agent so that you know about these
things.
17:23 - Intro (Announcement)
You know if it's appropriate to respond, Just ask Now
look.
17:26 - Anne (Host)
How do you feel about people keeping up with you on their latest
accomplishments? I think new demos are always good. Hey, you know,
I just produced a new commercial demo. I wanted to send it to you
so you can have an update.
17:39 - Lau (Host)
Yeah, they do it, annie, they do it, it's fine, our pros do it.
Pros in the roster will do it. That they'll say, hey, we got a new
demo or we just did a job for this, or whatever. Tim and I always
give really positive feedback and it's really great Just to kind of
know what's happening. I don't need that. If you're not represented
by us, I really don't need that. What I would need is, clearly
you're submitting to the agency. So every couple months, just send
a nice little letter and have your website updated and that's
enough. We don't need to hear every single thing that you're
booking or everything that you're doing, unless it's so huge. Now
we kind of have to know about it.
18:13
You know what I mean Just be careful how much time and brain space
you try to take up of people that you're working with. Less is
always going to be more. I also wanted to talk to you about
something that recently happened with one of our roster talent
quite by accident, I think, not intentionally and that was this
person auditioned for a gig in September and the clients didn't
make their decisions. They're now whittling it down and checking
availability. So we put it out to the couple talent we're
checking.
18:42 - Anne (Host)
That's three months bosses. By the way, that can happen, just FYI,
over three months. Yes, over three months.
18:47 - Lau (Host)
Yes. And this person came back and said, yeah, I'm going to pass on
this because it's not up to speed with the rate guidelines that I'm
looking at and I'd feel more comfortable and I know this talent and
their phenomenal right. And we came back and we said, listen, we
have to tell you you already auditioned for it. You forgot about
it. Here's the MP3 right here and you have, in essence, agreed to
the terms that you auditioned for. That's not to say we're not
ready and able and willing to go fight for some more money, which
we do, fight for more usage, which we do. That's like innate with
us to do that. And that talent came back because they're a fabulous
person, and said, oh, I'm so sorry, I literally forgot. It's okay,
I'll follow through, I'll execute, I'm available, I got my source
connect. That's what we call a mensch in the industry. That's a
good person. That's a person that says, okay, I may not move
forward on those kinds of jobs in the future, but I already
accepted those terms when I auditioned.
19:43 - Anne (Host)
That we make really clear, like because we may not be able to get
more money on that or more stuff on that, sure and it shows that
you're working together in partnership, and I think that that is
something that is so important for voice actors to understand that
it's not a one way relationship. It really is a give and a take and
you are working together in partnership to get this job. I mean,
you're both there to satisfy the client and make some money, and I
feel that if a voice actor is not gonna follow through or they're
gonna all of a sudden become difficult and then start demanding I
mean, look, I am all about getting a fair wage and getting fair
compensation for our voices, and I think we've been fighting for
that all along, and if you don't have belief in your agent that
they are also fighting that battle for you right then maybe you
shouldn't be together anymore.
20:33
I mean really.
20:34 - Lau (Host)
I mean that's the job of the agent. I mean the job is not just to
accept the terms and say, oh this is great whatever, but to say,
okay, that's what we call leveraging.
20:43
So if we have a great talent that comes on because, remember, the
talent is not seeing the relationship in the background that you
have to assume there's this whole like a horse with blinders on,
there's this whole thing going on that you're not privy to. That
is, how well do we know the client? Can we go back and forth with
them? Can we shimmy, which we always try to do? Tim is great at it
and I try, on my end as well, to say, hey, we got you another 500
bucks and another 1,000 bucks on that one because they saw the
logic behind it or they saw it was difficult to get the talent for
it. But the truth is I know the truth is non-PC, but the truth is,
if this talent decided not to do it, I would still love this talent
because they're awesome person and fabulous, but we can replace
them in a second. That's just the truth of it.
21:31
I have a hundred people in that category right now, ready to sort
of kill nuns to get that job. So it's not something that our agency
would be willing to give up. So it's a balance, is what I'm saying?
Like, we wanna be fair to the talent, we wanna be fair to the
client, we wanna have good working practices, we wanna come back
and do more work. So we're pushing. We're always like pushing,
pushing, pushing. But sometimes you have to stay and you have to
make the decision if you're gonna move forward or not. And it's
okay. If you don't, there's other talent who will.
22:02 - Anne (Host)
Absolutely Another great discussion. So I think always important to
really just get to know your agent, get to know your manager and
really educate on the agency. Educate and really be a human being.
I think Just be a good human being because that's really when it
comes down to it. We are interacting with human beings and we both
want a positive experience as a voice actor and as an
agent.
22:27 - Lau (Host)
And if you do get a manager, I would say make sure the manager
knows your agencies and works well with them. You don't wanna hide
people under the rug, you wanna have a team, have a team approach.
A lot of people feel like if they tell me about their other
agencies they're cheating on me in the marriage and I don't treat
it that way. I feel like you're making a viable career that makes
me happy. That you book something somewhere, it's great. So have
that team approach Makes you more marketable for you
actually.
22:53 - Anne (Host)
So yeah, for sure. All right, bosses, simple mission, big impact,
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23:51 - Lau (Host)
And it's 4th of July. I noticed that I have no idea why.
23:54 - Anne (Host)
Move your mouse. Maybe that's so funny. I don't have a
mouse.
23:58 - Lau (Host)
Oh, my God, that's so funny. I'm back. I don't have any mouse. This
is amazing. It's almost like your screen.
24:03 - Anne (Host)
It's almost like your screen is going to sleep or you're making it
Going to sleep.
24:08 - Lau (Host)
Yeah, or you're making it explosive, I'm making it explosive, I
love that.