Nov 5, 2024
Join us as we dive into Anne's enlightening experience at the Podcast Movement conference in Washington, DC. Discover the critical lessons Anne learned by stepping out of the voiceover industry bubble and mingling with top podcasters and corporate reps. The BOSSES tackle the complexities of measuring podcast success, the evolving role of advertisements, and the innovative strategies that can set your podcast apart. Passion and authenticity are at the heart of this episode as we explore how genuine storytelling can elevate both podcasting and voice acting careers. Learn why being relatable and embracing video content is more important than ever for voice actors. Consistency and authenticity are key, and we provide practical tips for maintaining a successful show. Finally, we wrap up with advice on continuous personal and professional development, reminding you to stay proactive and always seek growth opportunities.
00:02 - Bonnie Marie Williams (Ad)
Hi, this is Bonnie Marie Williams, and I was listening to VOBoss
for years before I began working on the show. It was actually the
first voiceover podcast I ever heard and I absolutely fell in love
with it the energy, the humor and how much information it provides
to the voiceover community. But what I love most about VOBoss is
how it takes on the current topics in the industry, how it
discusses things we really should be talking about, all of the
positivity and how much time and energy Ann devotes to the show to
make it so valuable for all of us. I mean, we just want to rock our
businesses like a boss, right? So, ann, thank you for bringing me
into the boss family and for all you do for bosses
everywhere.
00:46 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Hey guys, Anne Ganguzza here. Imagine a voiceover journey where
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want to work on with you, Through nurturing coaching and creative
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01:17 - Intro (Announcement)
It's time to take your business to the next level, the boss level.
These are the premier business owner strategies and successes being
utilized by the industry's top talent today. Rock your business
like a boss a VO boss. Now let's welcome your host, Anne
Ganguzza.
01:35 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Hey everyone, welcome to the VO Boss Podcast and the Boss
Superpower Series. I'm your host, Anne Ganguzza, and I am delighted
to be here and it seems like it's been forever with my bestie, Lau
Lapides. Hey Lau, how are you?
01:52 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Hey, annie, it has been forever. It's been, I don't know, two
months or whatever. It's been, but two months for us is like two
years.
02:01 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
So much happens. It's been too long. I mean, a lot of things have
been happening. I just got back from podcast movement in DC and I
had a really good experience there that I wanted to share some
takeaways if you didn't mind.
02:15 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Actually, that's cool. I was going to ask you about that because so
many of us and certainly us as talent as well are doing podcasts or
want to do podcasts, and that kind of a movement is something we
want to know about. So, please, sharing is caring.
02:31 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I had a lot of takeaways. Number one was, first and foremost, it
was so nice for me to get outside of my bubble, outside of my
studio bubble, my dealing with voice talent, voice actors and
people in the industry. Not that I don't love dealing with people
in the industry, but actually going to a conference and immersing
myself into a marketplace where I want to sell to right, because
there are podcasters here, which, yeah, of course, I have some
podcast consulting services, of course, but I mean that wasn't my
primary purpose. My primary purpose was to mingle with the
corporates, because, guess what, everything I do voiceover right,
corporate narration, commercial all of this really directs itself
to that market. And it's so nice to be able to immerse yourself in
that market and just, hey guys, this might be a novel idea, but
just listen, right, listen to what your potential clients need,
what are their problems, what sort of frustrations are they
experiencing and how can you, with your voice or your voiceover
product, help them?
03:45 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
them. Annie, can you give us the infrastructure of it, because I
don't know about that particular world in terms of what a trade
show or a convention would look like for podcasters. What did it
look like? How many folks were there? How long was it? Did you meet
any like top level podcasters who we need to know about? Oh, yeah,
I did.
04:00 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I met celebrities. There's like celebrity podcasters the Diary of a
CEO those of you that listen to podcasts. I met the scrappy
podcaster. I met the guy who actually, you know, is in all the
videos for Riverside too. So the conference was four days long and
it was in DC, and this one in particular, it was a little bit more
corporate centric. I go to two of them every year.
04:23
The other one is PodFest, which is very much creatives like
ourselves, independent creatives, a lot of hey, I've got this show
and how can I make money with this show? That's really like the
question on everybody's mind and I know that anybody who's ever
asked me about podcasting is like, well, how can I make money? And
I'm always like, well, don't bank on that right away or don't
depend on that, because it is a passion project for the most part.
But this show had a little more of a corporate audience, a lot of
those people that are really looking to try to get an ROI, not just
from the podcast but about advertising, advertisements on podcasts
and those of you that listen to the VO Boss podcast know that very
recently I've been actually adding some advertisements on for my
own business. Now we've been doing the VO Boss podcast for about
eight years and I thought well gosh, maybe it's time that I do one
or two. One or two, I mean you know you guys listen to my
podcast.
05:17
I can tell you, hey, look, I also offer these things, but it's all
about how do you measure success of a podcast. How do you measure
if you have ads running in your podcast? Are they effective? Are
people listening to the ads or are they fast forwarding through the
ads? And so the overall feel that I got from the conference is that
there's so many different platforms right now there's. You know how
do you listen to your podcast? Is it on Apple podcast, is it on
Spotify, is it on YouTube?
05:43
And they all have their own measurements, their own stats, and so
what advertisers want to know is how many people are listening to
your podcast, and sometimes that's really difficult to tell unless
you have the statistics. And then these statistics don't all come
together so that you can say, overall I have 1 million downloads,
or I know from my service provider, my RSS feed provider, how many
downloads I have, and that can give you a fairly decent number. But
again, they've changed the way that they've measured those stats as
well. So a lot of times the corporations or the people that are
advertising want to know how can I get ROI on this investment if
I'm going to spend money for ads and the other thing which is
really important is that there's a lot of people that do ads on
podcasts and they sound very different from the podcast, right,
because we've got you and me just bantering back and forth and then
all of a sudden they've got hey, it's allergy season.
06:38 - Bonnie Marie Williams (Ad)
What happens?
06:38 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
is, the podcast host doesn't necessarily do voiceover for a living,
so what they might read might sound a little stilted, so that was
really interesting to understand that. Okay, I understand how I
might be able to serve them by doing ads or by helping them do
their ads better, that kind of a thing, but it was really wonderful
to just sit and listen and learn oh my gosh for four days all about
the things that I've been doing for eight years on this podcast,
and a lot of it was very validating.
07:08 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
And now the one you went to was in DC. Right, that sounds like a
really large a really big one. Did you find that there were people
that you could meet? That really helped you understand the road to
sponsorship? And the understanding of, like, how you sell ads and
how you get into that place because I think that's where a lot of
early entry podcasters fall down is like they can create a great
program and they can get it launched and it sounds terrific, but
what happens next?
07:35 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah, the thing is is that you really need listenership, you really
need people who follow. I mean, everybody refers to Joe Rogan,
right? Of course, if you're an advertiser, you want to advertise on
Joe Rogan's, but when you're first starting out, you need to first
of all make sure that your content if you have a podcast and I
think every voice talent should have a podcast, because, gosh,
we're equipped for it, we have like really great sound already, and
so it just makes sense that if you are a voice actor, it doesn't
cost you anything necessarily except for your time right now. If
you have a passion, talk about that. I mean, over and over and over
again, what I heard as the theme is that podcasters are
storytellers and guess what, so are voice actors. Yes, so if you
have a topic that you're passionate about, I think you can start a
podcast on.
08:22 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
I mean it doesn't have to be about voiceover. Now, when you go into
podcasting because I've been doing podcasting for a number of years
as well the question is you go into it because you love it, you
have a passion for it, you want to educate, you want to tell a
story, mm-hmm. But how do people know when and if they're ready to
monetize? That's a big question. I think in the podcast world,
absolutely, you've been doing it for eight years.
08:46
That's a long time to do a podcast while you're running a business
and while you're doing everything in your life yeah. So when and if
you should monetize how that happens.
08:56 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Well, you know, that's a really great question and that is, like I
swear it's the question on everybody's mind, even at this
conference, like how do you monetize? I mean, what are the
questions that get answered right in podcast? What are the big
questions of the day? The big question is how do I know who's
listening? Right? How do I track my downloads? How do I grow my
podcast? That's the other question, asking the same questions,
right, because it is such a popular medium.
09:23
When you get somebody like I'm going to say, joe Rogan or any of
the more celebrity podcasts where you get a lot of people's ears
right, listening, that is an opportunity to sell and so, while the
logistics aren't necessarily quite there yet, you have to showcase
that number one. You've got listenership. You've got listenership,
you've got a following. Now VO Boss has a following, and it's a
very faithful following, because, for me, when I was telling people
about my podcast, I would say, okay, I have been a podcast for
eight years and while my numbers may not be, I do have close to a
million downloads. I mean very close to it.
09:57
Actually, I haven't looked in the last few months, so I probably
have a million downloads, but it's over a course of time, right,
and so what advertisers want to know is how many downloads per
episode are you getting, and that kind of gives them an idea of how
many ears they have listening to their potential ads. And then, of
course, it has to be on the effectiveness of the ad, and I had an
interview with Steve Pogac, who is with SiriusXM and Pandora,
talking about podcast ads. It's kind of the new area where
advertisers are really interested because they've got potential
ears to do the selling. Again, it's just you've got to be able to
prove to those advertisers that you have downloads, and so right
now you have to use the methods that are with you. I mean, there
are separate methods. Apple has their own stats, spotify has their
own stats, youtube- has their own stats.
10:46
And what's interesting is that while we're doing this now on video
right, whereas before we were strictly audio we're now also on
video. So it's kind of like, well, let's use YouTube and put shorts
out there, which is it was good, that was validation for me I heard
that again and again was to use YouTube for shorts to kind of draw
your audience into the audio podcast.
11:08 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Love that when you think about like discussion about synthetic
voices.
11:11 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Right, we're in the wild wild west. Well, guess what? We're in the
wild wild west of advertising and podcasting. Right, and seeing if
podcasting is a popular medium, we know about that. We know that as
voice actors we are primed to be great podcasters, because we've
got the technical worked out already for the most part. Right,
we've got the technical. And if you've studied enough, you know how
to storytell. You know how to storytell, you can certainly
transition to any kind of ads really well. And of course, there's
the other thing. Law and I know you'll like this is that there's a
lot of ads that are done with improv. Celebrity endorsements do a
ton of improv while they're doing the advertisements.
11:46 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Isn't that cool.
11:47 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
There's another skill that voice actors have, so it really
translates well and, if nothing else, right. It costs you your time
and, as you and I have discovered, right and I've discovered, after
eight years of having this podcast and you since you've come on
with me, people now say oh my gosh, I love listening to you
guys.
12:06 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Right.
12:06 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Like they met you by listening to you on the podcast. That's
absolutely a way to reach out to potential clients or potential
people, no question.
12:14 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Fantastic and I can say personally that you know, in the last two
years, or however long we've been working together on the podcast,
god, how long has it been? Almost two years, I think.
12:23
It might be longer when I'm flying around and people come up to me
and say I love your podcast. For a second I'm like, oh, the VO
boss. They're like, yeah, you girls are great. It's a weird thing
if you're not used to it, because there's that disconnect, there's
that sense of disconnect from your audience that you know the
audience is there, you see them, they're there, but if you're not
meeting them, yeah and you don't know them, you may not hear back
from them, the feedback you may not hear back from them.
12:53
It's really incredible.
12:54 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
It's the engagement. A lot of it was talking about engagement and
again, so many parallels to voice so many parallels so many
parallels. You have to engage your audience and I'm going to tell
you. One of the things about podcasting is that we engage people
through audio right and or video, if people are watching us, if
they like to see the two of us talk to each other. It's all about
engaging and being interesting, and it's either educational or it's
entertaining, right? No?
13:20 - Intro (Announcement)
question Whenever.
13:20 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I was watching a presentation on the stage with any well-known
podcaster when they were speaking about that podcast, it was all
about their storytelling and it was all about how it was their
passion to talk about a particular subject, something that they
loved, they were passionate about, and that's what caused and
everybody's like.
13:40
Well, how do you go viral? Right, I mean, there is no magic
solution to going viral. I think a lot of it is being engaging
right with your audience, and then you got to get it in front of
your audience's eyes, very similar to our own businesses, right? So
how do you grow your podcast audience the same way you grow your
business and voice acting? Right, you've got to get yourself in
front of the eyes of your potential clients or your potential
listeners. So it was really so wonderful to be validated in so many
different areas, because a lot of times, like you said, we're
podcasting out into the air and I don't always hear anything about
it unless I speak to someone and they say, oh my God, I love your
podcast or I love what you said about this.
14:19
And what's really cool is then you get the benefit, you reap the
rewards of being an instrument and being able to hopefully motivate
and inspire somebody.
14:28 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
It's incredible and you and I we get letters like all the time,
literally every single month, that says I just want to let you know
that I can't get in my booth on a Saturday morning without
listening to the podcast and hearing your motivation and hearing
what you have to say and on the most literal basis, you don't
realize what kind of impact you can make on someone's life by just
speaking and speaking a truth and speaking an experience that is
maybe common to their experience, or maybe the next level to their
experience, when they're stuck and they don't know where to
go.
15:04
It's incredibly powerful and I'm just honored to be a part of that.
But I think you scared a lot of people when you said, or reminded
us because this is not a new thing that we're also on video too.
We're also on camera as well, because a lot of voiceover talent
traditionally went into voiceover so that they wouldn't be on
camera. They say, with all due respect, I don't want to put makeup
on, I don't want to look good, I've got the face for
radio.
15:28 - Bonnie Marie Williams (Ad)
I don't want to look good, right.
15:29 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
And I said no, no, you can't look at it that way any longer,
because you've got to market your business, your podcast, your
voice, and you have to do that on video now.
15:39 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
If you think about it and this is the trend, right, also, like on
camera work, right, it's not about you don't have to be beautiful
and young and pretty and handsome anymore.
15:47
It's all about authenticity, it's all about being able to engage
with your audience, and so we invite right the perfectly imperfect,
perfectly imperfect I want to hear and see like imperfections,
because I know that I'm not alone, right, when that happens, and
that's for on camera, that's for audio, that's all of that Just
being able to be authentic and really communicate and reach out to
your audience, just like we have to do being voice actors. It's
becoming more and more and more prevalent every day. That that's
really what we have to do, I mean, and that's what we like, I mean
as humans, like, why do you think reality shows became so popular?
I mean, it wasn't about the perfection of people on a sitcom or a
drama or you know, it was real people and we're real people and we
can talk about real things, and so if you guys are thinking about a
podcast, please gosh don't.
16:41
We don't need another voiceover podcast, I don't know
Exactly.
16:45 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Talk about something that you're passionate about, that you can
engage with other people, and it shouldn't be any surprise that,
you know, when we're auditioning as voiceover talent and we see
that breakdown of relatable and real and conversational. Well,
that's what we want to see as well.
17:02
If we're seeing the visual of you. We don't want to see you on as
the 70s announcer, nor do we want to see you on as the supermodel
of the 80s or 90s. Really, the real person works more often as an
actor and talent than the aesthetically beautiful person according
to the industry, and gets cast more often because it really
represents the demographic of the people.
17:28 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Sure Right. It cuts through the chaos of something being like
anticipated or expected or stereotypical right.
17:36 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
There's an empathy factor too. I mean, I want to see someone who
kind of is me. There's a deeply psychological aspect to everything
we see and hear in entertainment. I would gather that a lot of
folks and I ask them. When they talk to me about your podcast, I
say why do you like it? Why do you follow it? What is it doing for
you? They say I feel like you are me, I feel like you understand
me, I feel like you're almost in my head, Right Like the voice in
my head, and I think, oh, that's a lot of responsibility. I better
be careful what I say. Isn't that true? It is true when you talk
about influencers.
18:13
I always think of the influencer as like the young Gen Z or the
young, young millennial who's on social media, but that's really
not true. The influencer is anyone right who is out there in the
public square and really is connecting to their audience. They can
have very powerful influence, positive and negative. So be careful
what you say, be careful how you present yourself, be careful and
just be thoughtful about it, because you can impact a lot of
people. Now, from a marketing perspective, that's great, because
for the people that don't know anything about marketing or are a
little scared of it, you know you can have a huge influence on
people just by being visible.
18:57 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah, absolutely Absolutely, and it just amazed me the amount of
parallels. You think I would have figured this out by now, but it
was good reinforcement as I went to this conference. So I highly
highly encourage you, if you can get out there, listen, find the
people that you're trying to sell to, if you can get to a
conference. Conferences are great because I had presentations to go
to and I also had vendor booths that I could visit, right, and so
the interaction. I really listened to the interactions in both
instances and I noticed that when people were on stage talking
about something they were passionate about, you know, I have this
little pet peeve about millennials have a potential to upspeak and
I'm always telling people when we're doing corporate please don't
upspeak, because it makes you sound a little less confident, and I
want you to be confident about your product. So, when there was the
occasion for me to go to a booth and speak to someone about their
product, right, and I encountered a millennial, yes, upspeak is
alive and well. However, when that same millennial was up on stage
and this happened on more than one occasion, right, no matter who
was up on stage talking, discussing, interviewing, interacting and
speaking about their passion there was absolutely no up speak.
Maybe once in a while there was one word or two, but nothing that
was consistent, Because I think it presented a different kind of
situation and I think that as actors we need to always read those
situations, like, perhaps for a commercial, you're going to have
that kind of casual engagement where upspeak is absolutely desired,
but maybe in another instance you need to sound more authoritative
about that product or confident that you're sure that it's going to
help someone and therefore maybe upspeak isn't as
appropriate.
20:35
So that was just an interesting little tidbit and, trust me, I
listen really hard because, you know, I'm a coach, I want to be a
better coach and so I want to be able to communicate with my
potential client better. So first and foremost is listen. And you
guys, even if you can't get to a conference, you can do this
online, right, you can join groups that are not necessarily just
voiceover groups. You can join e-learning groups, you can join a
company newsletter, look at how the company talks to their
potential clients, and then you can just really learn about in what
situation and how you might talk, the tone of voice that you might
use, the emotion that goes along with it. It could be for a quirky
brand that has a little bit of humor in it. It could be for a
quirky brand that has a little bit of humor in it. It could be for
a brand that's a little more serious and a little more formal, a
little more suit and tie kind of thing, and you adjust your
performance accordingly.
21:23 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Now, you were talking earlier to me, before we started recording
about at the podcast forum. They were talking about memberships and
I thought that was very fascinating, thinking about creating
content and how you can get your subscription base or membership
base going with supplying that content. What did you learn from
that one? What did you take away on that?
21:44 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
one. So that was advertisers, who again were looking to monetize,
right, and so until they felt that people have the capability of
fast-forwarding through an ad that might be on the podcast,
However, if they need to subscribe or have a membership in order to
get to that content, if let's say the content is valuable and it's
something I've thought about doing for VIA Boss having a certain
amount of episodes that are bonus content, which then help fund the
cost, because, as we know, and as I've spoken about multiple times,
this does not run itself. I mean you and I, you know it takes our
and, as I've spoken about multiple times, this does not run itself.
I mean you and I, you know it takes our time. And then I literally
have a team of people that help me to distribute this podcast and
put show notes up there, to advertise it on social media. There's
just lots and lots of components to the spokes in the wheel,
whatever you might call it, but there's a lot of things at play
here and it's not free.
22:34
So it's helpful to be able to recoup some of those costs and even
monetize the living, make a little bit of money, because I mean,
this is our time and we do talk about all the time. Law right, we
need to charge what we're worth. If somebody said to me well, do
you feel bad charging for a podcast when most people can listen for
free? Well, you know, honestly, I've been doing it for eight years.
I've given over 400 episodes for free. To be quite honest, if
somebody wanted to donate three to five dollars, maybe a
month.
23:04 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
I don't think that's unreasonable, I think it's fantastic. I think
it's a great idea and makes total, total sense. I have a feeling
that's something that a lot of podcasters are going to be doing.
They're going to be interested in doing that, mm hmm, because no
one really realizes except for you, annie, how much goes into it
until they start doing it.
23:20 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Until they do it.
23:20 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Oh, I'll just talk. You know it's the old voiceover, read a paper
and talk, but they don't really realize to produce something, yeah,
something of value, something specific, something that has guests,
something that has planning. Producing engineering it costs, it's
an investment. Yeah, engineering it costs, it's an
investment?
23:38 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah, absolutely. And getting yourself out of your bubble and going
out and really researching the market in which you want to sell, I
think is so, so, very helpful for our businesses so that we can
grow and serve those businesses and voice acting. This whole
industry is evolving, like as we speak, minute by minute. Things
are happening on the AI and synthetic end of things in the market.
The economy has a lot to do with it and we really need to
understand what's happening out there and evolve along with what
our clients are asking for so that we can serve them better,
because we can have a great voice. But if we don't know how to
serve somebody with that voice or how to help them solve their
problems, then we kind of sit here just having a great voice,
exactly.
24:23 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Which is great.
24:23 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
But you know, then you and I can just talk with our great voices,
but it may not get us anywhere. It may not pay the bills Very true,
In which case? By the way, even if you don't get advertisers right
away in your podcast, the fact remains that you are putting
yourself out there, you're putting your brand out there, and that
is a form of marketing all in of itself.
24:42 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Do you have tips, annie, for people who want to either start a
podcast or who are early like within the first year of doing their
podcast of what they should be thinking about or be planning for,
so that they don't fall into any holes along the way?
24:57 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
That's a great question. The one thing that you absolutely have to
be concrete on right now is kind of like your why, like why do you
want a podcast and what is your topic and is it something that you
can sustain? Because consistency once you get people who start
listening, they expect consistency. It's like look on my run every
morning I want to be able to turn on the latest podcast of right,
or I want to be able to. It becomes a thing. So content creators,
like everywhere, know how it's difficult to create content. It
takes a lot of time.
25:29
So figure out what it is that you want to talk about, what it is
that you can consistently deliver on a regular basis to an
audience. And one thing I definitely found out is that these kind
of serial podcasts that only have like six to eight episodes they
don't do well. They don't do well with advertisers. Advertisers
don't want to invest in that because they can't expect a great
return on investment. It's got to be something where your audience
can grow, where you can continue to get the ear of the listener,
and so really try to find your why. Try to find whatever it is that
you want to talk about and then be consistent about it Now. You
don't have to hire out like I do right now for my podcast. I mean,
I did everything on my own to begin with, and so you can start
simple and commit to what you can do and make it a priority that
you deliver consistently, consistently, consistently.
26:22 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Love that. So it doesn't have to be constant, it's just consistent,
yeah, absolutely, which makes a lot of sense. And being authentic,
yeah, and really caring about what your audience cares, about the
pain points they have, what problems they have to solve and connect
to Right. And also I would add into that that like what style you
want that podcast to be in Do you?
26:43
want to have a lot of humor. Is it very serious? Is it meditative,
is it calming, like, think about the kind of style that you want to
have, and are you having guests on, or is it really you speaking
from your point of view? I mean, these are just kind of basic
things that we have to be thinking about it from the beginning.
Also, how long Like you and I are really consistent about our time,
we typically go about 25 minutes per episode.
27:08
Like how long can you talk? How long do you want to speak about
your?
27:12 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
topic. I mean, gosh, some are hours long. You know what I mean.
Some of the best video ones are hours long where there's something
visual to look at, and I think Joe Rogan's is, I don't know, an
hour or two hours. I have not listened recently, but really I mean
we try to keep ours. I think the stats say anywhere from about this
time 30 minutes, but honestly, I think it depends on the content
and what you're talking about and just really feel that out and try
to make that consistent as well.
27:36 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Well, you know, thanks for bringing this to our attention, because
this is a world. It's not a new world, but it's an ever-growing
world. Yes, absolutely, and it's becoming complex and very nuanced.
And it's something that a lot of talent of all different
backgrounds really want to know about and want to be doing and be
plugged into it.
27:53 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
So this is kind of exciting news and I'm excited because I got
another podcast that's formulating on the back end. So stay tuned,
guys. Something new is coming along for me and I'm very excited.
Probably be launching that sometime I don't know later this year,
so look for that and I'm very excited.
28:10 - Lau Lapides (Guest)
Keep growing, keep expanding, keep creating and keep developing
that's really the name of the game, isn't it? Absolutely?
Throughout your lifetime, Fabulous.
28:19 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Thanks, law, good conversation. Thanks for asking me about it. I
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