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01:25 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Hey, hey everyone. Welcome to the VO Boss podcast and the Boss
Money Talks series. I'm your host, anne Ganguza, and I am thrilled
to be back again with one of my favorite girls to talk about money
Danielle Famble. Hey Danielle, hey Anne, good to be back, danielle.
I have a secret to tell you.
01:52
What I love money, and I don't think that's a secret oh gosh, is it
just me or is it that some people don't like to discuss their
relationship with money, and I think that's a very important thing,
obviously for us running businesses is our relationship with
money.
02:06
I mean money matters, and I think we have to really talk about what
our relationship with money is like. Because, I'll tell you, when I
was growing up as a female, it wasn't a thing to make money. Like
my parents, my dad went out and it was the breadwinner and it was
always kind of like ingrained in my brain that I was supposed to do
other things, and not necessarily it wasn't. My critical role was
to make money.
02:31
But, in my business, I certainly don't have another purpose than to
be able to make money to help survive.
02:39 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
Yeah, it's almost like the purpose of a business is to make a
profit and that profit is making money, money. Yeah, I totally
agree. I think it's a sociological thing. I think it's also we're
sort of taught that talking about money is too risque and it's not
polite yeah don't be greedy. We're running businesses and
businesses need to make money, so we should talk about it
Absolutely.
03:09 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And I'll tell you what I'm not really shy at least on this podcast
about talking, and that's why I'm so happy that you're here to talk
about money, and this whole money talk series is just like makes me
a happy, happy girl. I just I like talking about it because I think
it's something that, as business entrepreneurs, we don't discuss
enough of right we don't discuss, and especially for myself and my
values and things that were taught to me when I was growing up were
completely different than what I need to implement in order to have
and run a successful business. Again, one very primary one was that
women were not breadwinners. They were meant to have families and
do other things, and so I really was kind of at a standstill when I
was growing up because I was seeing things that were demonstrated
to me that I didn't necessarily think should be true.
03:52 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
And I think there's also this like belief about money that maybe
that it's hard to make money or you have to struggle to get it and
I really believe that money can come easily to you if you learn
about it and understand it and know how it works. But yeah, I mean
for me too. I mean I grew up with parents who are entrepreneurs and
seeing my mom and dad work together and my grandparents even
working together to make money. It wasn't necessarily that
imbalance in a way of the man goes out and is the breadwinner, and
that actually was totally happening in my home. But in terms of
business, I was seeing, in my life anyway, sort of more of an equal
partnership when it came to money, but we never really talked about
it.
04:41
It wasn't something that we discussed. I just happened to pick up
on what I saw and then I made assumptions based on what I saw that
may or may not have been true.
04:51 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I love that you said that because you're right. Money was like one
of those things. My grandmother I'm from that age where children
should be seen and not heard.
05:00 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
But, money.
05:01 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
You don't talk about money. It's not polite, right? It's just not.
You don't discuss money, and you're right. I saw things, I
witnessed things and so I made my own assumptions. I'm so glad that
you mentioned that because you're right. Some of these assumptions
maybe were incorrect on my part and I grew up thinking a certain
way and it affected how I thought about money, right, and how I
thought about well, I guess I need to go out and get a job. It
didn't occur to me that I could make my own money and be my own
boss, and I think, had I maybe had a different relationship with
money or maybe learned about money at an earlier age? Gosh, I will
be the first person up on my platform my soapbox saying that if
you're in grade school, you should be taught about money Like from
a young age, you should be taught about money, financial, financial
responsibility, relationships with money, because I think you need
to have a healthy relationship with money.
05:55
I don't think it should consume you. However, I think you should
have a healthy relationship with money. That means that you're not
afraid of it, you're not afraid to talk about it, you're not afraid
to learn about it, and I think one of the best things you can do is
educate yourself about anything really, and money is no different.
Educate yourself about money, because it truly is something that we
do need to survive. Oh for sure?
06:16 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
Yeah, absolutely. I think you touched on it a little bit. But there
is an inherent fear and money can cause a fear response a little
bit, especially if you don't have it or you need more of it to get
to where you're trying to go in life or in business. I'll tell you
a personal story. For me, my education, learning about money and
how I needed to interact with money, really came from a trauma
response, because I got sick and I needed to take some time away
from work, and I was working as a waitress. If you don't go to
work, you don't get paid, and if you don't get paid, then you're
not going to be able to, like, pay your bills.
06:56
So for me, I was working a job that, like, required my daily
attendance, and if I was not able to do that for whatever reason
for me that was a health reason then it affected my money and I
didn't have the savings in place to be, able to catch me if I
needed to take some time away from my income generating source my
job, I thought, and I got a random illness that just kind of took
me out, and even for a short period of time actually, and I
realized that I did not have the infrastructure in place to make
sure that I would be okay even if I couldn't go to my
job.
07:47
Sure, yeah, educate myself about money and how money worked and how
I can be a participating factor and how I can have, like, my own
security when it came to money. And for me, having money became a
security blanket and that drove me into almost a fear-based or
trauma-based response that if I didn't have money I was not secure.
And that belief system really got me in a negative place around
money and work where I could not stop working because I needed that
security.
08:10 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Right or money will get you happy.
08:12 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
Right, and that didn't happen either.
08:14 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
So there's that fine line between we need money, we need to have
that healthy relationship with money. However, money may or may not
make the majority of us happy. However, it is needed for our
businesses to survive, right, and it's needed for personally, for
us to be able to pay the bills and to survive, and so different
people have different relationships with money, and also financial
arguments are probably one of the top sources of divorce,
right.
08:44 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
Yeah.
08:44 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
For many people, and so it's such a delicate balance. I mean, how
can we have a healthy relationship with our money, danielle, how do
you secure your healthy relationship with money?
08:56 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
I think. First, it requires you to take inventory of where you
currently are right. So if you think about and that can be a scary
thing that can be a very scary thing because you're having to
really assess your own beliefs and belief systems and get down
to.
09:15
I had to. I dealt with this in therapy because it took more than
just me to get that out. But really, I mean, when you think about
money like for you, anne, when you think about money and like
making money or having money, do you feel like cringe and does it
make you feel small, or are you like oh money, I'm so
excited.
09:36 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I feel like I already know that's kind of my go-to. That's your
thing, oh money.
09:43 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
And really having. If money and the idea about money makes you feel
small or repel, then imagine that energy is not going to be coming
to you or stressed, or stressed, it's not coming to you.
09:53 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Which is a lot. Yeah, you're right. And so there becomes that
abundant mindset, right, I mean? And there are some people who just
don't subscribe to that theory of abundance, but I very much am
like well, I'd rather be more in a positive abundant mindset than a
negative mindset, because just my personality is one where I don't
like to be sad or unhappy or stressed and money can absolutely be a
source of stress and especially gosh knows in our businesses that
we are our own entrepreneurs.
10:22
That is probably the number one reason that most people don't make
it in the voiceover industry, right, is they're not making the
money they need to survive, of course, for their businesses to
survive or them to survive personally, and that becomes then a
great source of stress. So how do we deal with it in a way that
doesn't bring us so much stress, right, that it is detrimental to
our business?
10:45 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
There's so much more to your business than just money, although in
this series we've obviously talked so much about money and
financial principles and everything else. But there's so many other
things to your business and if there is a way that you can have fun
in your business and bring that levity and light and joy to your
business, the money I have found does come. I used to be a musical
theater actor before I became behind the mic and I found that when
I was happy and joyful for my friends who were booking work, I
actually started booking more work. There was almost like this
reciprocity of joy and light and acceptance and abundance to oh
there's enough and I see there's enough.
11:33
I celebrate my friend for booking work. That means that there is a
job that can come to me as well. So I think it feels, and it seems
a little bit woo woo and is there an actionable thing that you can
do with it? Maybe just celebrating and being joyful for the work
that's coming for other people who are booking work, if they're
sharing it, like on social media, for example, but also being
grateful for every single opportunity. Every audition is an
opportunity to work. It may not be paid work, because maybe you're
not getting paid for that audition, but it's an opportunity to work
and to do something that you hopefully love to do, and do it
joyfully.
12:08 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah, yeah, I talk a lot about being joyful and following our paths
and really because I mean I'd rather be joyful than not joyful when
I have to work, and so if you take that mindset right and apply
that to money, right, Be joyful about money.
12:25
Be, joyful about the fact that it can come to you, right, and that,
when it comes to you, it affords you the opportunity, maybe not to
buy the fanciest new car or the fanciest new mic, but it affords
you the opportunity to continue in this creative process that
brings you joy on a day-to-day basis, right, the more hours of joy
that I can have in a day, the better.
12:48
Right.
12:49
And if I can do that while making money and I can allow the money
and have that mindset of abundance, that, yes, I'm happy for anyone
that can survive in this industry, and especially now with all this
craziness, with people being fearful of AI taking their jobs away
and the race to the bottom.
13:06
Right, when you worry and stress out about the race to the bottom
and people and things taking your job away, you are taking all that
energy and putting it into a place that is not going to help you
get more jobs. And so, in reality, if you focus your energy on
being the best that you can be and finding the joy in the work, the
jobs will follow and I believe that the money will follow. Now, how
much money these days, has the market changed? I mean, I think,
again, education plays a big role in this and education in regards
to the market right and in education in regards to your business
sensibilities and your relationship with money. Well, if the market
is not necessarily there like it used to be, then what can you do
in regards to your financial situation to either rectify that,
change that evolve, that, do something different, while still
maintaining that joyful, abundant mindset?
14:02 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
Oh yeah, I also like knowing all the different resources that are
out there to help us learn, knowing that there's the GBAA rate
guide that can help inform how you quote jobs, or what is an
industry standard rate, what is a guide that I can use to help me
or even other voice actors and just saying, hey, listen, I'm
thinking about this particular rate, how does that line up? Or what
do you think? Having coaches or mentors line and not being, as
you're calling it, that race to the bottom, and then that can be
very joyous, because it's a collaborative effort that we're all
making sure that the money is staying within livable standards of
living rates so that we can all win. That's really helpful and that
helps maintain for me, it helps maintain the joy. Also, I just feel
like you have to think about where your mentality about money is
coming in, because if you are not addressing that, it will come out
when you negotiate your own rates for example Sure when you least
expect it, Exactly In your daily actions and you don't realize
yeah.
15:19 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
You're right. I love that you're talking about negotiation because
you're right, that attitude, those thoughts that you have about
money will absolutely come out in negotiations, with money and even
I would say, in your auditioning and your confidence in your
product.
15:32 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
Yeah.
15:33 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Right, I mean it can. Absolutely. Well, I am not worth you know
what someone else might be worth, because I'm just starting out,
I'm new, and again that relationship directly parallels, I think,
with your relationship with money, because as voice actors we are
all worth, we are all investing money in this business and we are
all worth a particular amount and we should never consider that
worth being lower or low, just in general, Kind of like in money.
Is money bad? No, Money should be thought of as a means to good and
positivity.
16:08
It's a resource, a tool to help us achieve our dreams and our joys
and to do something that can propel us further right. Money will
help me to take my career further, take my business further right.
I can make more investments. I can find another genre that brings
me even more joy, that kind of thing. So, really, that relationship
I think that you have with money go back to if you're stressed out,
if you're nervous, if you're all about like, oh gosh, I'm not going
to make it because AI is going to take over or it's a race to the
bottom these days. And in reality, I think that if you take that
energy and focus it on, how can I resonate abundance, right, how
can I resonate abundance in my business? And that, of course, I
think again, when you talk about business, I think you can't not
talk about money.
17:04 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
It's impossible.
17:05 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I think it's impossible, because you can't run a business without
money and you can't sustain a business without money and you can't
grow your business without money. Yeah.
17:12 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
Because, again, I've said this several times the purpose of a
business is to create a profit and you have to be making more than
you spend to run the business. You, in order to do that, you have
to be making more money and growing your business as time goes on.
And if you have a fear or your belief system about money is
limiting your ability to grow your business and scale your
business, then it's going to be a very uncomfortable time running
your business. And if you want to have a business for years and
years and years, imagine living your life that way for years and
years and years it's just not fun. Yeah, yeah.
17:49 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I mean, I like to think of it in terms of money, mindset and
mindset in general. Right, you have a choice. You have a choice in
how you think and how you think about things, and for me, I'd much
rather think about things from a positive perspective, just because
I don't like to be unhappy and I don't choose to be unhappy, and so
I try to think of everything in the more positive light, even if
let's say, oh, it's been slow this month, right, and maybe it's
been slow for a couple of months, right. So how do I take that
worry, that potential financial worry? It's like, oh gosh, how am I
going to make the payments this month? How am I going to pay my
employees this month, and really kind of take the time that you
would spend worrying about that in terms of, all right, sitting
down, and these would be positive aspects of how all right. So now
maybe we are slow this month, so what can we do to rectify
that?
18:40 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
What can we do?
18:41 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
How can I how?
18:43 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
can I do this, how can I rectify that, so that I won't have this
worry, this cloud hanging over my head? What can I do? Can I market
more? Maybe once in a while you might have to accept a job that is
maybe below what you initially quoted, right, and maybe that's
something that you will concede to and not think negatively about
that right Totally, in terms of thinking of it as a financial
stepping stone, right, and having that relationship where you're
not angry that you're making less right For this one time.
Right.
19:15 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
But there's joy in making something at all. There's joy in making
money.
19:19
What I love about what you just said is think about how much more
creative freedom you've just given yourself by turning that fear,
that worry on its head of how can I pay the bills this month, into
what do I need to do, how can I make some additional money or
income or do something different. Then you have the option to say,
okay, wow, as a creative, as a person who is a creative, an actor,
a person who makes things from other people's words, and I turn
that through my body, into this thing that I've created and added
value to the businesses and the organizations and the companies and
the brands that I voice for. Sure, absolutely. When you think about
it like that, oh, my goodness, imagine like the joy and the levity
that comes from that. Yeah, because then you can become more
creative. Okay, yeah, maybe I will negotiate this particular job
and I don't get the amount that I wanted to.
20:14
But look, I made some money. Or look, I'm auditioning different
style or genre or work with someone, like there's so many
possibilities there. When you open up your mindset to how can I,
what can I do, what are the opportunities out there? Because I look
at all the auditions that are out there let's say, on a pay-to-play
site, if you can see like all the auditions are out there. They're
looking for human beings. They're looking for people to do that
work, and so, if you look at these as opportunities, the
opportunities are all around you. You've opened your mind to
it.
20:51 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And I think if you allow and we talk about like, allow the money to
flow like a river you know, if you allow that money, if you think
abundance, if you think joy, if you think about allowing the
possibility of money rather than, oh God, I I can't do this, or I
can't charge, or that client is trying to jip me out of. You know
that kind of negativity where, oh, they're trying to jip me out of
what I'm worth. So it's good to know what you're worth, but it's
also good to know that when a company states they have a budget and
they can't meet the budget that you initially want, that you turn
that on its head and you say, okay, well, it's an opportunity for
me to make, maybe not what I originally intended, but also it's an
opportunity that I can then take and turn into other
opportunities.
21:37
So, rather than being angry and complaining and going to social
media about it or that kind of thing, from an educational
perspective, right, really trying to take a different look at it in
terms of okay, that wasn't what I initially would have wanted, but
you know what, this opportunity to work with this company, maybe
I'll get another opportunity and it will turn into something that
is more positive than negative.
21:58 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
Or saying no to that opportunity also gives you the opportunity to
work with somebody else, because your time is a limited resource
and you can't get more of it. So if you're spending your time with
something that is not the right fit for you, you're not making the
type of money that you're wanting to make, or you just you're mad
because you said yes to this thing because you really needed the
money.
22:19
you may not be able to take on something else that is a better fit,
so understanding the cost benefit of saying yes or saying no to
something might be what brings more into your business, more money
to you. It's all flowing to you, you know, like a river. It's
called currency for a reason, because it's got to move.
22:37 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Oh, I love that, love that analogy. It's called currency for a
reason. Yeah, absolutely. Just trying to take things that maybe are
not productive for either your workflow or your mental state
regarding money and finances, especially when it comes to this
business. And this is not easy, guys, we know this. I mean I've
been in this business, gosh, close to 18 years and, danielle,
you've been in the business for enough years to know it's a
marathon, not a sprint. Yeah, business for enough years to know
it's a marathon not a sprint and, honestly, the attitude and the
positivity with which you approach your business and money
opportunities has a direct correlation with your success.
23:18
I really believe that? Yeah, I do too. It's just one of those
things. So, really, I think, sit back and look at your relationship
with money and your stress levels around money and maybe just sit
down and write down. We can turn this into a goal setting podcast
as well, because I do believe that setting financial goals and we
have a podcast on that as well can really help to benefit how you
can see your relationship with money and help you identify where
you might need to work on things right.
23:48
So if you're looking at your financials. You're taking a hard look
at what your financials are coming in and going out and then
assessing, okay, where are the opportunities? And, instead of being
angry or depressed or frustrated or thinking you're not enough,
figuring out what did work and then figuring out what other things
do you think could work. And I'll tell you, there's nothing wrong
with in your business while you're growing it, to get other sources
of income from other careers. I mean you don't have to be
completely all in voiceover. You can do computer consulting or
technology consulting or web design or any other thing. I mean work
at a restaurant. There's nothing wrong with that in terms of
financial opportunities and looking that as a positive to continue
on a good relationship with money that can allow you to expand your
business.
24:38 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
Yeah, absolutely.
24:39
And another thing I can tell you for me, when I was working on my
belief systems around money and how I could, you know, improve that
was finding a sense of gratitude for the money that I
had.
24:51
One of the things just on a personal level, one of the things when
I was really struggling with this is when I would open up my bank
account and look at the amount of money, I immediately felt shame
and scared and sad and just a lot of these negative feelings.
Looking at the money that I had, it is simply just a fact of what
is there right now, but it also is proof that I have the ability to
make money. So one of the things that I did and it could be
something that the listeners do as well is develop a practice of
just simply greeting your money and saying hello to your money
every day. I love that. So what I would do is I would open up my
account, look at the money, feel whatever feeling I was feeling and
then just say, hey, money, good morning you know there will be more
or less or what have you, but like hey, and just looking at it, for
what?
25:42 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
it was let's get more friends.
25:43 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
Let's go make friends. Let's go make friends.
25:44 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Let's go make friends, let's go bring on some more people
here.
25:46 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
Yes, exactly, and really just looking at the account and letting
whatever feelings come. But those feelings are not real, they are
simply feelings. Those feelings can actually help or hurt you in
trying to bring more friends to the money that you already
have.
26:02 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Exactly, I love that. So, yeah, you're right, looking and saying
hello and addressing your money and facing it right on a day-to-day
basis. It's kind of like, gosh, my weight loss journey, right. I
didn't want to look at the scale, I didn't want to look at the
numbers, I didn't want to. I was scared and every time I would look
at the numbers it would bring this feeling of shame and horror and
sadness and so the more you do it, the easier it gets right, so
that you can try to take that mindset and turn it into one of
gratefulness, one of positivity. And the same thing with your
money.
26:35
Look at your money scale. I'm going to say, on a day-to-day basis,
greet it and then say what can I do? And for this, what can I do to
maybe gain more money, weight right and be grateful for what you
have on the scale at that time and really assess what is it that
you can do to change this in a more positive way? I mean, gosh,
what a great conversation. I mean money is a mindset. It really is.
And you're right, it really is the way that you feel about it. It's
just that they're just feelings, right.
27:06 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
I've been told and I heard this saying feelings are not facts.
Right your feelings while they are completely like real to you, it
may not be the end result. It's just the feeling that comes up and
you can, just like you train your body, just like you train your
mind, you can train your feelings and really, it just
takes.
27:25 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
You can choose joy. These are choices that can be made and you can
choose joy. You can choose joy at any given moment of the
day.
27:28 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
These are choices that can be made, and then, when you choose joy,
imagine how much more abundance will be coming your way.
27:34 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Right. Choose joy. Choose money. Choose to look at your money and
then choose to turn that into gratefulness and positivity, and that
will allow the currency to flow.
27:45 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
the river to flow.
27:46 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I love it. Oh my gosh, what a great episode. Danielle, thank you so
much as always for sharing your gems with us in this series. I
really, really am loving it and I can't wait till our next one.
Bosses, I'm going to give a great big shout-out to our sponsor,
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everyone.
28:15 - Danielle Famble (Co-host)
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