Sep 24, 2024
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00:27 - Intro (Announcement)
It's time to take your business to the next level, the boss level.
These are the premier business owner strategies and successes being
utilized by the industry's top talent today. Rock your business
like a boss a VO boss. Now let's welcome your host, nn
Ganguza.
00:46 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Hey everyone, Welcome to the VO Boss Podcast. I'm your host, Anne
Ganguza, and I am delighted to bring back to the show for our Real
Boss series, Mr Tom Deere. Hi, Hi.
00:58 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Tom Hi, hi hi.
00:59 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Hi Tom Dheere, Real Boss, Tom Dheere.
01:01 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yeah, Real Boss and Ganguza. Always great to talk to you.
01:05 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
You too. You know, tom, it's been a week. Oh yeah, yeah, it's been
a week, for some reason. I gave a couple of workshops and I've
talked to a few people that have just started out in this industry
and a few people that have been in the industry for a couple of
years, and I constantly I know you hear this all the time because
you're the VO strategist I constantly get people who are just so
frustrated and they can't get work and they want to give up, and I
don't know how many times I can say it's hard, guys. I mean, it
just is hard. The work doesn't just come easily, and I feel as
though we need to spread some encouragement out there for those
bosses who are wondering what's going on. What did I just do? Am I
embarking on a career and I'm not seeing any work coming
in?
01:53 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
But I think we need to maybe get real, tom yeah, and talk to our
bosses, okay, well, the first thing I want to say on that is that
for those of you who have put more than one cent, more than zero
cents, into trying to become a voice actor,
congratulations.
02:13 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah.
02:14 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
You should be Absolutely Praised and applauded for putting out
money and money. You know money is money. Money is obviously what
it is, but it's also what it represents. Spending money always
represents an investment of some kind, whether it's buying a piece
of bubble gum or a new car. Is that you're investing in this thing
that you hope will make you happier or make your life easier or
move your life forward in some way. So that's encouragement nugget
number one. Be proud of yourself. Be proud of yourself that you're
watching this video at all bosses. Be proud that you're taking the
time out of your very busy day to learn ways to move your voiceover
business forward. So just the fact that you're listening to this at
all should be applauded.
02:59 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And even if we back up further, I mean, first of all,
congratulations on actually taking the step to being an
entrepreneur. I mean, really, that's like step number one is that
you had to make a decision, that you wanted to go into business for
yourself, and that is something that the majority of people don't
do. And so for those that do, take that leap of faith and say I am
going to start a business, that is to be commended. That is to be
commended. It takes bravery, it takes courage and, again, as Tom
said, with the investment, that's a risk. So right now, right off
the bat, you've taken risks that you're not quite sure if they're
going to pay off or not.
03:37 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Right, and Anne and I will not blow sunshine up your nose and tell
you that everybody who works with us or wants to be a voice actor
has a 100% chance of becoming a voice actor, because that's just
not the reality. But Anne and I do everything in our power to set
you up for success so you can make all of your dreams come true of
being whatever kind of voice actor is your perfect voice over day,
whether it's an e-learning narrator or a cartoon narrator or an
audiobook narrator or what have you. But putting yourself out there
and saying, I'm going to take this risk, I mean you should be
commended on an internal level that you've made that decision. But
here's the other thing and I have a lot of experience with this is
all of the external factors that are telling you not to do it and
you're like, screw you guys. I'm going to be a voice actor Because
I had a lot of people in my life, professionally and personally,
who didn't understand what I was trying to do Me too and didn't
respect what I was trying to do and would mock me behind my back
and to my face.
04:40
I remember I was a head host at the time the busiest Applebee's in
the world and would mock me behind my back and to my face. I
remember I was a head host at the time the busiest Applebee's in
the world and I was the guy that ran the door and would get
screamed at by everybody for how long it would take for them to get
a table and I had some representation. I was booking work here and
there, but not enough to leave my full-time job and a hater fellow
employee got on the PA in the middle of a busy shift and said Tom,
your agent's on line one and your mommy's on line two.
05:11
Click Ha ha, ha, ha ha. Yeah, that actually happened. I'm getting a
little PTSD.
05:19 - Intro (Announcement)
You know what I mean. There's a lot of haters out there.
05:21 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
There's a lot of people who are jealous because you are trying to
make your dreams come true and either their dreams haven't come
true or they don't have any dreams at all.
05:30 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I love that you brought that up, tom. That's a really lovely
perspective Because you're right, just that beginning step, taking
that leap of faith and doing something when people assume that
probably no, that's not going to work for you, and I think we've
all encountered it. So, now that you've taken that step, right now,
tom and I are here to encourage you, if it suits you, to encourage
you not to give up, because, god, tom, it's hard, it's hard, it's
hard, it's not easy. Does it get easier, tom? I don't know. I don't
know.
06:00 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
No, it doesn't get any easier, Anne. It just becomes different
types of hard. We've talked about this in previous videos, but the
challenges that you have when you're early in your voiceover
journey, which is I think, those are the toughest sometimes. They
are the toughest because they play with your brain. They mess with
your head.
06:16 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
They mess with your head.
06:16 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
They mess with your head of? Do I have the ability to make money
telling stories, which is really essentially what this is, which is
the same problem that actors, stage and theater and on-camera
actors have. It's the same problem that musicians have. Musicians
are storytellers, you know, all forms of actors are storytellers.
Can I make money telling stories? That's really what it comes down
to, and many are called, few are chosen, but many are called. Few
make the right choices and you, as VO bosses listening to this, are
making the right choices.
06:54 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Few of them stick around right To discover that they did make a
good choice. Right, because if you give up too soon, you never
know. Right, and again I'll say, the departure from, let's say,
corporate is huge. For this right, there's no stable paycheck
coming in, and so I think that's a huge sticker shock for people
because it's like well, all right, I've done the work, I've paid
for coaching, I've got this great demo. Now where's the
work?
07:22
And so you're not finished yet, right, that's just the first part,
just the first part of your journey is the actual training and then
the demo creation, and then, of course, you should always keep up
your training, because things change and evolve and you always want
to get better. But that's only the very beginning of your
entrepreneurship and the beginning of your business. And so, as we
mentioned, it does play with your head in the beginning, because a
lot of times you're questioning well, do I have what it takes? Am I
talented enough? Why am I not getting work? And so you really have
to now, if you haven't gotten the proper coaching right, If you
haven't spent more than oh, my goodness, I'm going to say you need
to spend more than five or six hours coaching with someone before
you can really embark on a successful voiceover journey. And we've
said that over and over again but, also performance-wise, but also
business-wise.
08:10
I mean, thomas, what you do? You help people set up businesses,
like all the time. That's what you do, and so that is also a steep
learning curve.
08:18 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
It is a steep learning curve. I think one of the biggest challenges
for people entering the voiceover industry is that they don't know
what they don't know and they need to know. What do I need to have
in place to start my voiceover business? So I talk about the four
pillars. Every structure needs a solid foundation and in voiceover
it's exactly what Anne said Quality training, a professionally
produced demo, a setup, vetted home recording studio. And then that
fourth pillar is a website, which that's a whole other
video.
08:50 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah, it's another podcast episode too.
08:52 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yeah, that's another podcast episode right there. But to have those
four pillars in place is critical. But the concrete that you pour,
that is that foundation, is the business sense, the business
acumen, the business plan. You can have the best demo in the world,
but if you don't have a plan to market it effectively, the demo
doesn't matter.
09:13 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And if nobody hears it, they can't buy.
09:15 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yeah, you could have the best website in the world, but if you
can't get anybody to it, it doesn't matter. So think about that. So
many voice actors coming and put the cart before the horse. They
decide they want to be a voice actor and then start buying a
microphone or jumping on TikTok and making videos and it's like
those things are important. But there's an order to do this,
because the fact that you, as VO bosses, know what the basics are,
what the foundation is training, demos, website, home recording and
then pour the concrete of the business and then you can build the
house, build the structure, build the business around
that.
09:49
Having those things, now you know, are they perfect when you start
out? No, do you sometimes need to start over again? Yes, you know
what's the carpenter's rule Measure twice, cut once. A lot of times
you don't do that, you just dive in with the buzzsaw and hope good
things happen. So be encouraged if you have gotten training. Be
encouraged if you've produced a demo with Anne or another great
coach. Be encouraged if you've built the website. Be encouraged if
you've got the basics of a home recording studio. If you've got
that in place now you can start to really build and grow and make
accurate assessments about who you are in the voiceover industry
and how you're doing.
10:26 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Absolutely, absolutely. And again, it takes that perseverance to
understand that it's coming and it's not going to happen overnight.
That overnight success took what? Over 10 years to
cultivate.
10:41
In that respect, and I think about all of the people who I've known
that have stuck it out and have grown. I've seen them grow in the
industry, people that are just hot today in the voiceover industry
because we've been gosh Tom, you and I have been around for a
while. So I've seen people who when they started out, I was with
them when they started out, as maybe they were a peep or maybe I
worked with them a long time ago, and I'm not saying it's just me,
but I mean I've had students that I've seen really stick it out,
progress, do the work, and I've really seen them come into their
own. But it did not happen in a year, two years. A lot of them have
been on a journey for five, six, seven years and it's wonderful to
see them really shine.
11:24
And I can name a few of people that I've seen shine. The other day,
jen Henry right, I saw she got SAG-AFTRA status. And so there's Jen
Henry, there's Stefan Johnson, there's Tawny Plattis, who have been
at this for years, making content and not necessarily going out
there and saying hire me, I'm a voice actor, but doing their thing
and creating so much content so that it got their name out there
right, and it got them noticed and then it got them hired,
yeah.
11:53 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
We have to mention Danielle Fanball.
11:54 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Oh, absolutely Danielle. I mean of course as well.
11:57 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
She was a student of mine a few years ago and she has just gone on
to be a force in the voiceover industry, getting a high-quality
representation, working with tons of clients and all kinds of great
projects. She's a perfect example of that as someone who came into
the industry hungry, open-minded. She just knocked my socks off,
she knocked my socks off.
12:17 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And, as a matter of fact, we're doing guys if you haven't checked
it out the Boss Money series with Danielle. She is not only super
talented, voiceover wise, but she's got a very savvy business mind.
And we do a series on just talking about money, because that is
another point where people can sabotage themselves in the whole
money area, absolutely.
12:36 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Here's the thing about that, anne, is that your relationship with
money is critical to your success as a voice actor. And I don't
just mean having it, I mean having it is obviously important to
invest and reinvest in your voiceover.
12:46 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And I'm glad you're speaking about it.
12:48 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yeah, some people were trained to hate money, some people were
trained to be afraid of money, some people were trained to covet
money. Some people were trained to not care about money in the
house, at school, at their place of worship, among their friends
and relatives. And so often you're fighting against the tide of all
the preconceived notions that you have about the voiceover industry
and about money. Here's the biggest one, anne, is that employees
work for money. Yeah, absolutely, self-employed voice actors make
money, work for them. That's Robert Kiyosaki, rich.
13:25 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Dad, Poor Dad stuff. I love that.
13:26 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Learn to make your money work for you and with you. Learn to have a
synergistic relationship with money and your attitude about money
when it comes to, obviously, spending it, making it and, most
importantly, how to save and invest it in your voiceover career. On
a short-term level, you know training, which is also a form of
long-term, but also on a long-term, like investing in retirement
and long-term investment plans and things like that. So if you are
educating yourself, bosses, on what it means to have, make and
spend and invest money, you are setting yourself up for success.
So, any class you can take with me or with Anne, or any YouTube
video that you can watch about investing, empower yourself. Oh
my.
14:10 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
God, and that's the biggest thing, how to empower yourself. And I
feel like compelled, as I'm thinking of this, to offer more
examples. Christina Milizia, as I'm thinking of this, to offer more
examples. Christina Milizia gosh, talented from the get-go. I mean,
she's been doing voiceover for gosh. How many years? 30 years, over
30 years.
14:28 - Intro (Announcement)
A long time.
14:28 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah, I know that she always had her sights set on being in
animation and she really has taken off, but it took her many, many
years to get there and she was super talented from the get-go. So,
christina Melissa, lila Berzins I mean my gosh, I remember talking
to Lila. She was a peep of mine a long time ago and she was just so
talented and yet she was always wondering how can I get work, how
can I get work? How can I get work and she's so talented? And now,
man, she's like so hot and all these people that I'm just so happy
for that. They had the gumption to just keep pushing forward, keep
doing the work, keep marketing and just keep plugging away and
ultimately finding their way in this industry so that they're
really reaping the rewards and the benefits.
15:15 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
What all of these fabulous voice actors that you mentioned just now
have in common is that they're hungry, they're persistent and
they're consistent. Yes, absolutely To be consistent in the
voiceover industry with your efforts. You need to be relentless.
The voiceover industry does not care how tired you are.
15:33 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Absolutely.
15:36 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
They don't care what's going on in your life.
15:37 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
It doesn't care about the drama in your life. It really
doesn't.
15:40 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Nope, nope, nope, nope. You either have to learn to put the drama
aside or use whatever energy that you get from the drama that's
going on in your life and learn how to channel it into something
positive or at least consistent. Like I have anxiety. Yeah, I have
diagnosed anxiety and I have turned it into a superpower. Anxiety
is the fear of not knowing what's going to happen next. You worry
and fret about whatever usually social, interpersonal situations or
things like that. But as a result of me getting lots and lots of
great therapy and just being around and sticking around, I've
learned how to turn my anxiety into a superpower, because I'm
prepared for everything.
16:22
I'm a firm advocate of Murphy's law Anything that can go wrong will
go wrong. So I have all of these tools logistical, physical,
environmental, financial, mental, emotional, psychological to
anticipate any problems that may arise in my voiceover career, and
I am prepared. So if the worst thing that I can think of happens
and I'm ready for it it and I am prepared. So if the worst thing
that I can think of happens, and I'm ready for it, it's going to be
okay. So I turned a disadvantage of mine into an advantage, and you
can do that too. All of you can do that too. All of you have your
own hangups, anxieties, worries, fears, physical or mental or
psychological challenges, but you can either figure out how to
overcome them, set them aside or harness them, use them to enhance
your voiceover career and enhance your efforts and your
results.
17:07 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And I think also too, is be aware. Be aware of the industry. I
mean, be aware of trends in the industry, and not just trends in
voiceover industry, but be aware of customers who want to purchase
your voice. Be aware of what they want, be aware of what their
needs are and really take some time to investigate.
17:24
I don't know many people that take it upon themselves to
investigate the market right. So many people are like I've got a
great commercial demo, I've got a great animation demo, I've got a
great oh gosh. If I could give a nickel for the time somebody said
I want to do museum tours, if I could give a nickel for the time
somebody said I want to do museum tours or I want to do history.
But I implore you, I implore you bosses and I'm not saying you
can't do museum tours or be history documentarian I implore you to
understand the market size, okay, of how many museums are there,
and I'm just using this as an example how many museums are there
right in the United States and, by the way, I Googled this just the
other day there's about 35,000.
18:03 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Okay, I was just about to Google that. Thanks for doing the
work.
18:05 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
So how often are there new exhibits that might require voiceover?
Okay, not that often, because there's a season for exhibits right
in museums A lot of times. It's historical, it's been there forever
and probably they've got a voice that has been the voice and
they've got that system that you put on the headphones and they've
had a voiceover there and so they probably don't need to change it
if the history hasn't changed, right about it.
18:32
And so if you put all those things together and you say okay, so
how many opportunities do I have to become a narrator for museum
tours? Right, that's not a huge market compared to again, I always
tell people corporate, because that's my shtick but corporate 30.4
million registered companies. They all need to sell a product. They
all need to train somebody on that product and or a customer on
that product. They need to train their internal staff on safety
policies and HR procedures and also how to sell their product. So
that's a lot of opportunities. So if you want to know why work
isn't coming your way and maybe you've spent all of your money on
just the smaller markets, consider really investing time. It
doesn't take a lot right to investigate the market for things. All
I did was Google how many museums are there in the United States
and then think about it how often are they going to need a
voice?
19:25 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yeah, one thing that a lot of voice actors do early in their
journey is disqualify themselves from work that doesn't seem to
appeal to them because they only want to do this one thing, yeah,
yeah, yeah. The strain of voice actors who want to do the museum
tours. I call them PBS voice actors.
19:41 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yes, there's so many of them. I'm a PBS person too, me
too.
19:44 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
I watch PBS all the time. We adore it. But those that are
interested in the intellectual, historical artistic
documentaries.
19:52 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
How many documentaries are there? I've done that Google search
Also.
19:54 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Very, very few yeah yeah, right, but it also applies to the cartoon
and animation voice actors that are out there.
20:01 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
20:02 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
This is another one.
20:03 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And now, not only how many animation shows are there, then you've
got to think about who hires people to do animation shows. Right,
that's typically broadcast, right? Broadcast, you know, on the air
or streaming.
20:14 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Or streaming or streaming right.
20:16 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
But again, those amount of companies that we'll hire are finite,
right? 25,000 networks I think you have to Google me and check me,
but I did that research as well 25,000 networks, again, compared to
the amount of companies out there who have a product to sell,
right. Right 25,000 is nothing. And again, remember, they might
already have a voice. They maybe aren't looking for a new voice,
and so, when those opportunities come around and evolve, those are
the ones you'll audition for, along with all the other people who
want to do animation.
20:48
I could do corporate narration that talks about the history of a
company. Right, it's similar. It's similar. It may not be exactly
the same, but it can feel similar. A lot of corporate documentaries
are lovely if they've got good writing, but think of those other
markets that are larger and will give you more
opportunities.
21:15 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yes, I always tell my students that all voice acting is
storytelling. All genres of voice acting are storytelling. All
stories have a beginning, a middle, an end, an arc and a message,
whether it's a cartoon character or it's hours of corporate
narration.
21:31 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Absolutely, or even an e-learning lesson. Every lesson has an
introduction, points to the lesson and a conclusion.
21:37 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
I approach all of my voiceover work and I do a lot of different
genres. Like every week I'm doing political explainer, corporate
commercial. I'm doing all kinds of genres every week. I approach
all of them from a position of play and a position of storytelling.
So people are like, oh you know, but the HR stuff is boring and I'm
like you know what so is being hungry, so I find the joy in
it.
22:01 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
You have to find the joy in it, because if you find the joy in it,
the people that are listening to you will also be inspired and
motivated.
22:07 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Right. So here's something I've learned recently, anne because
we're talking about how to motivate our bosses is that I have
learned that there are between intrinsic motivators and extrinsic
motivators. So you want to find intrinsic and extrinsic motivators
to get you to do the things that you need to do to move your
voiceover business forward. So, like an extrinsic motivator is, if
I do five auditions, I'll give myself a cookie, because you may
have trouble being motivated to do auditions, for whatever
reason.
22:34 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Well, I couldn't be giving myself a cookie.
22:36 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Well, no well, you just lost all that, Maybe an article of clothing
or a lipstick?
22:39 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I'm not sure.
22:40 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Fine, that's an and thing or whatever, or it's an action figure or
a comic book or whatever. So find, if you need some kind of carrot
to be able to motivate yourself to do a task, whatever it is
voiceover related, whether it's auditions or invoicing or anything
else. And then there's intrinsic motivators. What can you find
within yourself to make the task more pleasurable? You know like,
for example, I'm going to give you the worst, dumbest example in
the world is that there's this Disney short. Remember the Disney
shorts when we were growing up.
23:08
Yes, absolutely. So there was one of like the chunky park ranger.
He would talk like this no-transcript everywhere.
23:23
And the park ranger's like, oh, bother, I wish I wouldn't have to
clean all this up by myself. And then all these bears are just
lying around hanging out and he's like, hmm, that gives me an idea.
And then he goes hey, everybody, we're going to play a game. And
all the bears are like, yeah, let's play a game. And he gives all
of them a bag and then like a stick with a little spike on it that
you use to clean up. Then he's like all right, here we go. First
you pick it up, then you put it in the bag, bump, bump. Then you
dance around, then you do this Bump, bump, bump, da-da-da-da-da.
And then they saw him in the hammock.
24:04
Just kind of relaxing and they're all like wait a minute and then
they threw all the garbage all over the place. But he found not in
the right way. He found an intrinsic motivator to make a boring or
tedious or frightful task more fun and interesting. So it would get
done.
24:20 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I like that example. First of all, thank you, Tom, for that. That's
going to be some good sound clips here.
24:25 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
It's in the bag, by the way. Go on Google and just Google. Disney
in the bag, and that's the short. It's delightful.
24:30 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I love it. I love it and you know, honestly, the fact is, most
people say I don't know the subject, or it could be boring, or HR
policies are boring. I mean, in reality, that, to me, is the
challenge. So, if you want to have a creative challenge that
stimulates, you, take the most boring material and I want you to
make it motivating and inspiring for somebody to listen to, right
there. That's all I need. That's all I need is the creative
challenge of it for me to be excited by it, and when I'm excited by
it, I can stand a chance of making you excited by it. Right, or at
least I'm passionate about getting my point across and like saying
here OSHA regulations dictate that you need to do this to be
safe.
25:10
Now that to me. I want to make that very maybe not exciting for the
listener, but I want to make sure that they hear me, and so I have
to make sure that I am inspiring and motivating in my own way for
my audience, and so I have another.
25:25 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
We'll call it a trick, but, like the stereotypical, most boring
form of voiceover is guiding employees through their insurance.
Right, that's the stereotypically most quote unquote boring, but
this is what I do Whenever I'm tasked with that. I've done that for
clients over the years. Is, I think, about the single mom with
three kids, one of which has special needs? Sure, and that mom is
terrified of picking the wrong prescription plan.
25:53 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah, absolutely.
25:54 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
So I intrinsically motivate myself by talking just to that single
mom, through my subtext and my tone and my cadence and my rhythm.
I'm telling that single mom, everything's going to be okay, I'm
going to walk you through this.
26:08 - Intro (Announcement)
It's a lot easier than you think.
26:10 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
We're going to go through this.
26:11 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Together. We're going to get through this and you're going to take
care of yourself and take care of your children.
26:15 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I love that you said that, because I have a lot of pharmaceutical
stuff. I read the back of labels and so I'm always imagining I am
that patient that I'm frantically looking at the back of the label
because I need to know what my dosage is, or obviously I've
probably had 10 of the symptoms already and therefore I must take
myself to the hospital immediately because I'm experiencing all the
symptoms. But I say that sarcastically, but in I say that
sarcastically but in reality that is kind of me, I mean, and so I
will read that label with that compassion and understanding that
people need to hear the important things and that's what makes me
excited about what I do. And I love how we've just discussed the
motivation for people to because this is hard, right to make it
less hard so that you can experience joy in all aspects of this
career, in all stages and phases of this career, because it's not
going to happen overnight, guys. It just it does not happen
0.00001% of the time. Maybe there's one person who has experienced
success, but not overnight. I don't know of anyone in this
industry.
27:18
So good discussion, bosses, don't give up. Don't give up. Motivate
yourself, stick it out, do the work, understand that it's not easy.
And does it get easier? I mean, I know that we discussed this
already. Does it get easier? Not really, because I think we always
find new challenges, we're always evolving, we're always growing.
So keep your eyes on the marketplace, keep your eyes on how you can
evolve as a business and, because that is going to help you stay in
the market, it's going to help you stay successful once you get
there. Good discussion, tom. Thank you so much for that valuable
input and that wonderful character that you I don't remember the
name of the park ranger.
27:56 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
But you can find it Now.
27:56 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I've got to find the park ranger name. All right, bosses, I'm going
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does his character impressions and myself I didn't do any
character. Maybe next podcast, tom.
28:15 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Now. You have to do it next time.
28:24 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Now.
28:24 - Intro (Announcement)
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