Apr 11, 2023
Long before you lay eyes on your next script, you should be
thinking about how your improv skills can help you stand out. Anne
& Lau share their practical advice for integrating improv into your
voice over work + act out some improved scenes for the Bosses!
Improv is about being in the moment and responding to what is
happening around you. Rehearsed speech sounds unnatural and stilted
because it doesn’t reflect the way people actually speak. If a
script is written the way you’d like it to be written, great! But
if it isn’t written that way, then it is still your responsibility
to make it believable. Improv requires imagination & creativity,
which are both important elements of succeeding as a voice actor.
Bosses, your voices are vehicles for storytelling, emotion, and
world building.
Transcript
It’s time to take your business to the next level, the BOSS level!
These are the premiere Business Owner Strategies and Successes
being utilized by the industry’s top talent today. Rock your
business like a BOSS, a VO BOSS! Now let’s welcome your host, Anne
Ganguzza.
Anne: Hey, hey everyone. Welcome to the VO BOSS podcast and the
BOSS Superpower series. I'm your host, Anne Ganguzza, and I have
with me my very special guest co-host Lau
Lapides.
Lau: Hey Anne.
Anne: Hey Lau. How are you?
Lau: I'm awesome. Great to be back.
Anne: Ah, it's good to have you back Lau.
Lau: Okay, here's the situation. Ready? Here we go. You just bought
a car, and you're picking it up for the first time. They even
sprayed that new car smell. And it's shining and gorgeous. Had a
little bow on top. Give me a moment of pre-life. Like what's the
exclamation you make before you speak?
Anne:
(screams)
Oh my God, I'm so excited! I can't wait to get my car
today!
Lau: Oh, and I would do this. I would go, ooooh, I'm so excited. I
can't wait to get my car today.
Anne: I think it was important. I had some good physicality back
there behind my mic here.
Lau: We both did. We both were like exploding.
Anne: So what is that, BOSSes? What are we talking about?
Mmm?
Lau: Mmm, I think that's improv city right there.
Improv.
Anne: Improv. So, so important to everything we do. I'm gonna say
so important because, it really helps us. Would you say Lau, 90%,
if not more, of casting specs are calling for believable,
authentic, real? And I think honestly, in order for us to be
real
(laughs),
improv is so very important to be able to create what's happening
in the scene, your reaction, your emotion. I mean, that's really
what makes us stand out from all the other people auditioning.
Right?
Lau: Right. I mean, speakers in the larger world outside of our
industry, call it impromptu speaking, being able to think off the
cuff, think on your feet, being able to think on the fly. Every
time you hear someone say that, we know it's a tough skill for
people. We know it's not a natural ability for most people to be
under these unnatural circumstances and just think on the fly.
Right? But it's a great tool, right, for voiceover talent to be
able to do that.
Anne: And you need it for everything. Guys, I don't want you to
think that this is just for, I don't know, video games or character
animation. You need improv for everything you do, including medical
narration. Just saying. I’m like the biggest proponent of being in
the scene, because we are so used to
--
I think, those of you that just got into voiceover and you don't
necessarily have acting experience — we're so used to picking up a
piece of paper with words and reading the words out loud, and
listen to what I just said. We're used to taking a look at the
piece of paper and reading the words out loud. And that's what you
don't wanna do, right, as a voiceover actor. You want to be in a
scene. You want to sound as if you are there and speaking
authentically and naturally and believably.
And so you can't just pick up a piece of paper with words that
you've never seen before and just read them from left to right. You
always have to put yourself in a scene. And that includes
--
gosh, when I'm doing telephony script, and I'm saying thank you for
calling. Like I put myself in a scene. I want people to really feel
as though I'm thankful that they've called me
(laughs).
And improv helps me do that.
Lau: Yes. And you know, a lot of times people will say to me, but
Lau, I don't get it. Like, I can't improv as a voiceover talent.
Everything is scripted. They're never gonna ask me to improv when
I'm auditioning or when I'm doing a gig. So why do I need to know
this? I say, well, wait a second. What about all your prep time?
You and I were just talking about this, Anne, how important it is
to think of yourselves as an actor. You're a voice actor; you're
acting a role. So when you're acting, you have to have technique,
tools and technique to call upon to find your character
development. How do I find that? So improvisation is a tool that
helps us find the authentic, true character, sound, connection,
quality, tones. It helps us find that. And then once we find it, we
can pull it out like just outta your toolbox. You can pull it out
whenever you wanna use it. And just that exercise we just did right
now, the pre-life of exclamation, just that can potentially book
you a gig.
Anne: Oh gosh, yes. And it's so interesting because I tell my
students all the time, I'm like, okay, what's your moment before?
Right? And I could be referencing a script that is the driest
corporate narration script in the world. And it makes no sense
because in the real world, I would never say these words. And
that's what I constantly get from
--
I would never say these words in the real world. But okay, we're
not in the real world. Okay? We're acting. And we need to create
the world in which those words would sound natural. And even if
they're not written naturally, you have to create the
scene.
And that I think, is so important. You're not preparing the script
to sound a particular way. You can read the specs, and they're
like, oh, we want youthful, millennial, or maybe sound with
gravitas. Stop preparing that sound. What you need to do is to
prepare the character, prepare the scene, prepare what's happening
that's going to make you react, right, in such a way. that might
portray those characteristics that are being called out. And I have
so many students that get frustrated. I'll say, what's your moment
before? And they'll be like, uh, I have no clue. Like, doesn't say
anything in the script. Guess what, guys? Here's where you got —
your imagination comes into play, right?
Lau: Yes.
Anne: So important. The imagination in developing a scene, develop
a scene that makes sense to you.
Lau: Yes. And improv is an acting tool. It's an actor technique.
And it's very challenging to do improv and be lazy. Like you can't
be lazy and do improv well, because you're talking imagination. It
has to kick in and connect. And oftentimes that requires energy,
focus and speed in order to do that. And it's hard to do it if
you're not engaged, if you're tired, if you're lazy, if you're
disconnected. We oftentimes will get feedback for an actor from
like casting that will say, ah, I don't like it. They feel
disconnected, they don't feel connected somehow. And I always think
of improv,
'cause
improv is a wonderful source of connection to another person. How
do we credibly and authentically connect to another person? Well,
we practice it. It sounds like an oxymoron. You have to practice
improv, but you do. You do.
Anne: You do. Absolutely.
Lau: You have to practice that skill. Right,
Anne?
Anne: Absolutely. And the improv doesn't just happen at the
beginning of the script. It's not just something you do to give
yourself some pre-roll. Okay? Because if you start a script, and I
say this constantly, especially with long format narration, when
you are voicing something for a long period of time, you're in a
scene, you need to stay in that scene. You can't just create the
scene and then just read. Right? Because all too often people will
create the scene, they'll be at the start of it, and then they will
do a monologue. It becomes a monologue where they forget that there
might be other things happening in the scene, or there might be
other people in the scene that they're acting with. And just
because they're behind the mic, right, and they're not physically
there
--
like if they were on stage, it would be easy to see that you're
with somebody, right? And you're bouncing ideas off of somebody,
and it's a back and forth, like a real improv class or a
workshop.
But behind the mic, I think we tend to forget that there's other
people in that scene with us. There's other things happening.
There's movement. And if you are in a monologue, right
--
I feel like monologues, unless they're extremely well written,
right, are not as engaging
(laughs)
unless they're extremely well written. There are a lot of scripts
that are not necessarily written for monologue. Right? It's like,
here's my speech on this product, and you know what I mean? Like,
here's my monologue about the product. Now how engaging is that?
Right? If somebody's not interested in the product, you have to get
them interested in the product. It has to be a story. And that
story has to happen in between the sentences too. Right? You cannot
stop just at the beginning.
Lau: Okay, I have a great improv. I have a great improv based off
what you just said. All right. Peeps, listen in. Sell the product,
whatever it is that is on your script. Sell the product or service.
And do it completely in your own words. Like get rid of the script.
Completely re-envision it. But remember, it's not just about saying
the words or the lines. You have to persuade us. Like you have to
make it feel like this is something that's super important to you,
that you believe in and that you want us to know about. Right? So
whether it's like a blouse or a car, or a cheese, or whatever it
is, I would love to hear you talk about that from your own
perspective, your own point of view, and really connect to it. And
a lot of times, I know you get this, Anne, in coaching too,
“but
I don't, I don't eat cheese,”
“I
don't wear blouses; I'm a guy,” and“I
don't drive cars.” Especially like that.
Anne: Yeah. I don't care much about the brand. I always get people
that say, yeah, no, I don't really worry about brands. I'm like,
okay. But for a living, you might be selling a particular brand.
And so it's important, right, that you're educated about the brand,
or you have to have some interest in it. You have to have some
passion in it. And by passion, I don't mean overextended passion or
over the top passion, unless it's called for, right, in the script.
Because a lot of times for us to be believable and authentic, we
have to sound authentic. So am I constantly like, oh my God, this
product is amazing! I mean, I can't be that. Right? I can't. But I
need to be as authentic as I can in my improv, right, in selling
that product.
Lau: Well, you know, we should do, Anne? We should demo, we should
do a quick demo. We should take something like a, an object, a
simple object. We should have like a a 15 or 30-second conversation
about that object.
Anne: Okay. So I always
(laughs),
I always have my lipstick. Okay. I always have my product
here.
Lau: Okay. And the listener, maybe someone who doesn't wear a
lipstick or doesn't care about lipstick, or maybe you're a man
listening in, you don't ever
--
okay, that's fine. But we're gonna have a conversation right now,
Anne, about that. And it's all improv, right?
Anne: Okay, okay. So Lau. All right, so this Chanel, okay,
typically inexpensive brand, right? Typically, most people will
say, oh, it's way — this, this lipstick might be way overpriced.
However, for me, I love this lipstick. I love this lipstick because
I only have to put it on once. And so to me, the savings of time
for this is amazing. I don't have to continually reapply my
lipstick. I can drink water, I can eat, and I don't have to put it
on over and over again. And it just stays on and it looks good.
What are your thoughts? Would you, would you pay, would you pay $34
for this?
Lau: I would pay more than that, because I'm looking at it on your
lips right now, and it's gorgeous. I love the gloss, I love the
staying power. The color matches your skin tone
perfectly.
Anne: And look, I can drink.
Lau: I love it. And you can drink, right? And it probably doesn't
even leave residue on the cup.
Anne: And it’s still there. And it doesn't feel
dry.
Lau: It's still there.
Anne: It doesn't feel dry.
Lau: And I think it's economical for what it's offering
you.
Anne: Well, right?
Lau: I would get it.
Anne: My time is worth money, right? And if it, and if this is
gonna save me time, right, from reapplying lipstick, or if it's
gonna give me confidence because I feel like, oh God, you know how
some lipstick will just kind of, you know, come off your lips, and
you'll only have like a portion of on your lips, and then all of a
sudden you get in the car and you look at yourself in the rearview
mirror and you're like, oh my God!
(laughs),
my lips look horrible.
Lau: They’re gone.
Anne: Why didn't, why didn't my best friend tell me about that? So
this, I don't have to worry about that. And so the ease, my mind
being eased that I don't have to worry that it's come off and it's
flaked off and it looks weird, or it's, God forbid, it's on my
teeth.
(laughs).
No, it doesn't happen.
Lau: You took the words right outta my mouth. I was gonna say, your
lipstick is never on your teeth. I'm impressed by that alone, and
the fact that it's not all over your face like mine can be, by the
end of the day, my lips are all over, you know, everywhere. So I, I
just think that it's very cool for you to hold on to this and not
go to other products, but really stay with it. Because it works,
right?
Anne: Have I convinced you?
Lau: Now here's the thing. It's like, we do this in our daily life,
right? We do this every day in our daily life.
Anne: That was improv. That was
--
by the way, BOSSes, that was improv by the way.
Lau: That's all improv.
Anne: And that, I think if you are absolutely thinking about how
would I sell this product? Like how would I voice this product? I
mean, you can just riff
(laughs),
you know, I really love this product because it's amazing. And the
funny thing is, is that Lau, you and I had a back and forth. And I
think for improv, you have to also improv, if you don't have
anybody with you and you are trying to improv your audition, I
think you create that second person that you're having the
conversation with. It's very much a technique that I use to sound
conversational and just sound natural or believable, is to actually
play a part with somebody else.
Because that's what you would do
--
if you had a script and you were on stage, you'd be able to bounce
your ideas back and forth. There would be an acknowledgement or a
smile, or a nod or a conversation between two people. And so you
have that movement, you have that scene that you can then improv,
right? And once you improv, your voice takes on, especially like
with you and I, it takes on the emotion and the point of view,
which really, really brings out a script versus a read. This
lipstick is wonderful, right? Versus, I mean, I'm like a robot
saying that, but when I'm really like, oh, this is amazing, this is
wonderful — it completely shows up in my voice. And so the fact
that I've created in my mind this improv back and forth with my
imaginary person that I'm telling about this lipstick is really
makes all the difference.
Lau: It does. It does, Anne, because that's the power of improv.
It's the personalization of it. When you're gonna say to me, but I
don't use lipstick, Lau. I don't wear makeup
--
I'd say, that's okay. Now let's engage your imagination. What if, —
the magic
“what
if,” right? Stanislavsky's magic if
--
what if you did wear makeup? What if you did wear lipstick? You
know, when you were a little kid, you thought that way. And you
weren't wearing lipstick or makeup
(laughs).That's
the irony, right?
Anne: And here's the deal. Transfer this lipstick into, let's say,
a Halloween costume, right? You put green on your face if you were
gonna be be the Incredible Hulk or, whatever that is, right? So
consider that, make that part of your imaginative world, right? And
how did that make you feel? I think there's always that, like, did
it make you feel confident? Did it make you feel good? Were you
excited to go show that off to your friends? And how does that
translate in your voice? How does that make you sound — first of
all, it's gonna make you sound connected, right?
Because when you're disconnected from the material, right, there's
no emotion flowing in that voice. There's no emotion in that word.
There's so many technical things that happen to words when you
inflect an emotion onto them, or a point of view, right? So it's
like, this is amazing. Like just the fact, amazing. Like I, it's
not like I didn't say, this is amazing. No. I said, this is
amazing. And so the rhythm changed, the intonation changed, so many
technical things changed about my voice. And that is something when
a casting director is listening to you, right? That is going to hit
their ears and go, ah, there's an actor. And I swear to God, right?
We know, for the first few words out of the mouth, we know if
you're acting.
Lau: Oh, yeah.
Anne: Right?
Lau: Oh, yeah. And start with something that is known to you,
personalize it to you, like give yourself a quick scenario that you
lived, that you know, if it's possible. So let's go back to the
lipstick, Anne. Let's say I'm a man, right? Or someone who doesn't
wear lipstick or whatever. Okay. But my favorite aunt wears
lipstick, and every time she would kiss me, I would literally smell
it. I would smell the lipstick, I would notice the color of it. I
always think of that color when I think of my aunt. So I'm
personalizing it into something I know, and something that means
something to me so that I can go into other scenarios that are a
bit farther away from me.
Anne: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Lau: But if I don't start with any frame of reference at all, then
I get that falseness, I get that falsehood of like, let me just
sound like I love lipstick.
Anne: This lipstick — yeah, exactly. And I think that voice actors,
if you're just getting into the industry and you're not realizing
just how important this is to really make your auditions stand out
and make you connect with the copy
--
it's incredibly, incredibly important that you spend time. Like I
know so many people are like, oh, I did 60 auditions today, or I
did a billion auditions today. Well, I want you to take five
minutes before you start, before anything comes out of your
mouth
(laughs).
And I want you to first of all, research the product. If you know
what the product is. Sometimes you don't know what the product is.
Sometimes the script is obscure and you're not exactly sure what it
is. And that makes it even more challenging for you to improv,
right? Because you're trying to figure out what is this even
talking about? And I know that's just the case for a lot of
audition scripts that come along and we don't know what it's even
talking about.
So then what we have to do is look at that script even closer.
Every single word on that script has a meaning. And it may seem
that you have no idea what it's talking about, and it's ridiculous.
But honestly, somebody was paid probably a lot of money
(laughs)
to sit there and write every single word to create that brand
message or to get that brand message out. And you need to really
look at those words and think, what do they mean? What could it
mean? And can I improv a scene, right, so that they would sound
logical and realistic and have meaning and create
emotion?
Lau: Absolutely. And let's say you don't do this at all. Let's say
you say, I can't do improv at all. I can just do the lines
--do
this. This is a very famous actor method. Do substitution. Like how
do I get to something personal? Let me take this little thing of
lipstick. I have my own on my side, lipstick on my side. And this
is no longer a lipstick. What this is to me is an EpiPen. So this
EpiPen can save my child's life when she has a problem and get
stung by a bee. And you say, well, how does that work? It's
lipstick. I said, well, I can still do an improv with Anne and talk
about this as if it's an EpiPen, but it'll sound like, I can't live
without this. I really can't live without this. I always have this
in my cabinet ready to go. Day or night, it goes with me. And you'd
think I was talking about the lipstick. But I'm really talking
about the EpiPen.
Anne: Sure, absolutely.
Lau: Try that in terms of your improv in your daily life, when you
need to connect with someone's situation, someone's stuff that
they're bringing up that you don't really have any idea about. You
haven't lived through it, you don't use it. You don't know about
it. And you ask them questions about it. But think about what that
is to you in your life. What's the substitution in your life that
connects to what they're talking about? That's how powerful improv
can be. It can make you friends. It can win you jobs. It can make
you a lot of money.
Anne: And something else that can help you
--
I feel like I see this every episode, Lau — Google is your friend.
Anne GanGoogle, right? Google is your friend. Like if you, if
there's any indication of what you're talking about in the script,
or there's words in there that you're not sure what it's even
about, Google. I mean, I can't tell you how helpful it is to
--if
you're not familiar with the brand and the brand name is there, you
can go to the website, and you'll get a great visual representation
of what that is and who they might serve. And that will also help
you to place your improv and place your scene in a place that's
logical.
I mean, it has to be logical, right? I mean, you want it to sound
natural and believable. And so you should have a little bit of
education about the product or the company, or maybe what's their
demographic? Are they selling to young people? Are they selling to
a more mature audience? And that can help inform the scene for you
that you are going to create. But you must, you must use your
brain. And it's not easy, right? It is sometimes it is. Like I rack
my brain trying to figure out what is this saying? Like I don't
even know. This is so ethereal and so out there that I don't even
know what this is saying. But I, I find that if I keep rereading
the lines, somewhere along the line, if I look at the important
nouns, if I look at the objects, if I look at the emotion of it
all, I can really read more into it to try to figure out, okay,
this would make sense. Now, if this was a storyline where somebody
was upset that something wasn't going right, and this
product
--
like the EpiPen, right
--
was truly meaningful and could really help save a
life.
And so I think if you just continually look at the words, see how
the words fit together, and then if you have any clues whatsoever
in the script, go ahead and Google it. And that's gonna help you
find out maybe what the brand is. What do they actually do? Do they
serve multiple demographics? What are the colors? I mean, you can
just go into like the visually, what are the colors on the website?
What is their tone of voice on the webpage? You know, the verbiage
on the webpage? How do they approach their clients? And I think
that will really help to help you build the scene that you must
improv.
Lau: Yeah. And if you go to their YouTube channel, you're gonna see
visuals of what the culture is like, what the sound, feeling,
environment is like. I mean, put yourself in that environment.
That's the old actor Johnny Depp type exercise where the method
actors would always go to the place that their character is in and
just feel what the place feels like. Well that's kind of important
because if I'm doing a lot of corporate work, and I'm getting a lot
of corporate narration or corporate scripts, and I've never worked
in corporate America, and I have no idea what it's like, just go
somewhere, be in a big tall glass building with people who wear
suits and see what it feels like, right? See what they eat and
drink, hear how they talk. Or just go to a Starbucks. You'll
see
'em
in Starbucks, hear how they talk. So that you're not necessarily
mimicking them, but you're getting an essence, a suggestion of
where you wanna head towards that may be very different from your
world and your existence. You wanna talk the lingo, have a sense of
that.
Anne: Yeah, absolutely. You wanna be able to align to the
environment, right? And I think, Lau, if I said to you, is improv
important in promos?
Lau: Improv is important in everything,
Anne: Right. So why? I'm playing the devil's advocate here. I'm
thinking my students would be like, yeah, but you don't really need
to improv in a promo, or you don't need to improv when you're doing
a phone system. And I would tend to disagree with you heartily. I
think improv is needed everywhere. I'd like your take on that,
Lau.
Lau: I agree. As I said, I think it's an immense tool to find your
interpretation. Like if I'm gonna give more than one take, or let's
say I'm just dealing with an in-house client. I'm not auditioning;
they're just calling me and I'm giving them takes, I'm gonna say,
wait a second, who's calling? Like, who are the people that are
calling? What if I have an impatient person calling going to the
system, right? I have a person who's a seller or pitcher calling?
What if I have a young teenage person calling the system? How am I
coming across to them? How would I speak to them differently and
what their different needs are? That would be an improv tool that I
would start to be utilizing in that telephony or whatever
system.
Anne: And if you're a voice for a healthcare system, right? Okay,
somebody's calling for an appointment, right? They're nervous,
they're not feeling well, or you know what I mean? They want the
results of their test. Understand who it is that you are going to
be talking to, right, and then talk to them. I always say that when
I read the back of pharmaceutical labels, I do medical narration,
and I want to be able to speak to that person who is nervously
looking at the back of the bottle and saying, oh my God, I have all
of these symptoms. That's me, by the way. I have every single
symptom ever known. And who do I call in case I die? That kind of
thing. I'm taking that lightly, but I really do think about the
person that's going to be looking at this bottle and what I'm
voicing and I'm improv-ing, right? I'm playing that scene out in my
head so that I can voice it better.
And so that's for medical narration, and for promos, you know,
tonight, like if you're doing like a television promos, right?
Still, you've gotta get into the mindset of who's the audience that
watches this show, and how can you
--
hey, oh my God, did you catch the latest episode of — that kind of
thing? You've got to get into their mindset
'cause
you're talking to them. And that is where improv will come into
play, right? Know that network, know that show. Be the person that
watches that show and talk to them.
Lau: And if anything, if you don't believe in anything we're
saying, just talk and listen to people talking because that's one
big, huge improvisation. Conversation is just one big, huge improv.
Life is one big, huge improv
'cause
we don't really know what's coming up next. So you don't have to
perform, you don't have to act, you don't have to do anything other
than listen, observe and communicate. Because then you're
improv-ing.
Anne: And I will tell you that every other month, or at least once
a quarter, if you join the VO Peeps, we do have a workshop that
covers improv. We do it. I think it's necessary to continually just
keep your skills up. And I know, Lau, I'm sure you have something
is part of your group as well?
Lau: We do. We have a Monday night improv mania that runs. It's a
lot of actors, a lot of VO talent. A lot of people come in, even
just people who are in business come in and they just want
to
--
Anne: And it's so much fun.
Lau: Fun. Yeah. They wanna free themselves, wanna be
free.
Anne: And that's the thing. Yeah, improv should be fun. It
shouldn't be stressful. And the only way that you're gonna make it
fun is by doing it really. And just getting yourself used to it and
getting those responses quicker and quicker and quicker. And
thinking off the cuff. And it will always help you especially —
I've just had a conversation with Dave Fennoy talking about video
games. You know, the storyline and video games is constantly
evolving and changing. Improv is huge. You may prepare your
character for one set of scenes, and then when you get to the
studio to record somebody's changed the script on you. And that
could be for video games, that could be for commercial, it could be
for any script where you might have last minute changes. So I think
it's so important, guys, that we are well-versed in improv, know
how important it is and go out there and practice
it.
Lau: I love it. Here we go. Ready for the improv of
life.
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week.
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